4 Responses to “WCOOP Main Event Warmup Hand History Review with Andrew Brokos (Part 3)”

  1. rutramax

    Hey Andrew, on the 99 hand….

    The jam there wouldn`t be better because the villain could flat (you gave him 3 to 1 on the call) and there are a lot of cards that are bad for you on the flop (TJQKA)?

    You were ready to give up on a scary flop if he flatted? Or would you jam on any flop ?

    Thanks alot for great videos,
    Artur

  2. Foucault

    Thanks, Artur. You’re right that if my opponent were to flat a hand like QJ, he could end up playing perfectly after the flop, getting away when he’s behind and getting it in when he’s ahead. This isn’t necessarily a reason to shove,it’s just a cost to be weighed against the benefits of a small raise that I mention.

    You just have to make intelligent commitment decisions once you see the flop. I don’t think you’d have anything to gain by jamming an AKJ flop. It would be like any other flop situation: think about his range, think about your range, and decide whether betting, checking and calling, or checking and folding will be best.

    You might look at this as a “bad flop”, but on the other hand, knowing that this is going to be the flop may enable you to avoid losing your stack to hands that would have outflipped you if you’d gotten all in preflop. A flop is just another opportunity to make a decision, and bad flops are bad for you whether you see them with money behind or not.

    Remember, too, that Villain doesn’t know we have 99. If you check a KT2 flop with a range that includes 99 and JJ but also AA, AK, and KK, your opponent can’t just blindly bluff you on the turn and steal the pot.

  3. rutramax

    Thanks for answer Andrew, very clearing,

    I forgot to put on the question your stack size at the moment. If he flatted the pot would be like 6k and you had 10k behind (20BB). I’m asking this because i find myself on those situations and is tricky to play sometimes. When we have more than 35BBs doing that same play we still have some room to cbet on some flops and give up if necessary.

    That’s why i argued about jamming pre. Another reason to jam is that it could be a little waste to 3bet and the villain lead on a flop like J82 or KT3 imagining that you will fold. But i understand that i have to balance my range of 3betting to not let myself get exploited on those spots.

    I just want to get what would be the best play when he flats…

    So with your stack, if the guy flatted and the flop comes J82 or KT3 and he CHECKS to you. Any c-bet you make there will commit you. Would you still check/fold on boards like those? If he bet is a fold i guess.

    Again, whats puzzling me is the stack size related to the pot already built and what would you do on that spot in case the villain chooses to see the flop and subsequent actions.

    Thanks for attention, sorry to be so annoying about this.. is just a flaw that i guess it’s on my game that i need to fix, hahaha
    Artur

  4. Foucault

    I think the central problem is that you are focusing on winning the pot rather than making good decisions. So you are worried that if you see the flop sometimes you will get a bad flop and end up not winning the pot. I would also look at this an opportunity to make a good decision, though.

    If Villain bets the flop, I will put him on a range and decide whether I have enough equity to get all in. I probably would get it in on the J82 but not the KT3.

    If he checks the flop, I will think about what a bet could accomplish. Will he call with worse? Will he fold better? Will he fold enough equity when behind to justify betting simply to take down such a large pot?

    Again here I think you are worried that if you check he will bluff the next street and you won’t know what to do. Again, put him on a range and make a decision. If you think you’ve induced enough bluffs to make a call profitable, then that’s a good thing.

    The best way to defend against bluffs is to check some strong hands as well. If you really think Villain will bluff a lot once you check, you still might not be able to call with 99 (on say an AK5Q board) but in this spot I would check AA, KK, AK, AQ, KQ, and QQ on that flop, so I’m really not worried about getting exploited by an opponent who just decides to bluff wildly because I checked. I know I have many stronger hands in my range, so I’m comfortable with my decision to fold 99.

    Yes, it sucks to fold after putting so much money in the pot, but it also sucks to get all in with 99 and then see an AK5Q runout. The part that really sucks is the board, not the fact that you are folding with a lot of money in the pot, and getting all in preflop can’t change what cards are coming. Seeing the flop is an opportunity (for both you and your opponent) to make good decisions. If you have position and are the better player, you should be able to make better decisions, so you really shouldn’t be so allergic to seeing flops as a worst-case scenario.

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