WCOOP Deep Run Hand History Review with Andrew Brokos (Part 3)
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adog26
What pairs are you calling the 29bb shove with @ 4:00? JJ+, QQ+?
Foucault
Yeah, probably JJ+.
redvulture61
The only thing i don’t think about this series so far is that it is to slow. You don’t review many hands.
piefarmer
On the last hand of this video, where you have 99, you give up based on your hand strength. What would you have done with a set of KK or the nut straight? Do you need to check raise to balance the times you are check folding nines? And does that leave you c-betting mostly your draws and 2nd or 3rd pair hands? Or is this more player dependent?
FkCoolers
The AQdd hand which begins around 18 mins. – What about checking back flop, betting turn small, and jamming river? No matter what we do we really only have 2 bets left.
The line you took I think looks too strong and removes all fold equity from KJulius. I think so long as you’re also mixing in your bluffs with a check/bet/shove line it might be the way to go.
Foucault
I know 🙁
I tried to pick up the pace a bit as the series goes on, hopefully you’ll find it gets better, but this is something I’ll continue to try to improve.
Foucault
There’s a lot to be said for that line. I think a line like this (bet flop small, jam turn, which maybe is better than the small turn bet I made) is more consistent with how I’d play AK. My range for making this 3b is so strong that I don’t think I want to check this flop when I miss. Really the only bluff I think I could have is AK. I do think that’s a reason to jam turn rather than making that silly little bet though, that was a failure to think about my own range.
Foucault
Good question. I think hands like QJ (not likely to make better fold or get action from worse, but tough to draw out on) would make the best checking candidates. Often nutted hands aren’t best for slowplaying, especially on a board like this where there are a ton of possible second-best hands but the board texture could easily change.
duggs
its kinda a trade off between hand quantity and depth of analysis tho, personally i loved some of the hands you werent involved in.
Jon_Allan
What implied odds do you require to set mine? In the 88 hand (29:36) your utg+1 minraise is squeezed by lucas which you would have called if not for KJuliusT’s 4bet. That seems quite thin to me, I don’t think I’d go for a mine there. If you’d mine here, would you think lucas might mine vs your QQ in the next hand (30:41) too, or was this really too shallow now, or was it the fact that Round has called and hence inflated the pot or that Round may call along in the 88 hand that made you consider it a mining opportunity? I’ve heard you say you want to win 10 times the call when you hit your set but I’m not 100% on what you include in that regarding the current pot or the pot once you’ve called, so could you explain the rule you use? Also does the fact that Round is still active in the 88 hand not make you want better odds to set mine to counteract the possibility of a shove behind you?
Foucault
The idea is you want to average a win of at least 10x the amount you call to see the flop. Keep in mind that’s just the final bet you call, so if you open to 300 and Villain makes it 750, you have to call 450 more and are looking to average a return of 4500. This includes both money currently in the pot and your implied odds when you hit.
Implied odds are a function of both the effective stack size and the strength of Villain’s range. If he has an extremely strong range, you can expect to stack him extremely often and can basically count the entire effective stack as implied odds. If he has a very wide range, it’s harder to estimate exactly how much you can expect to win when you flop a set.
In this case, assuming the blinds fold, I call, and the third player in the pot calls, there will be more than 2K in the pot already. Thus, if I can get my stack (which will be less than 2x the pot) in there a little more than half the time that I flop a set, this will be a profitable set mine. That seems very realistic to me.
redvulture61
I really dont see a problem with playing a wide range of hands from middle and late position especially if you have big edge postflop. You want to build an aggressive image so people will pay you off down the line.
Foucault
Big difference between middle and late position. I’d argue I’m pretty active pre-ante from late position, certainly more so than your average MTT reg.