25 Responses to “TPE Theory: Shallow Stack Play (5-30bbs)”

  4. Polaris

    Good video. I liked some of the folds you made, liked that you admitted the 1st 88 call was wrong and you were man enough to include it for our learning purposes. I felt the second one was a fold also though 😉

    I would love if you made a whole video on Calling shoves such as was suggested when you said you were playing the Kj hand like you were calling for value against a shove + more hands like the JTo. I think there is more than enough to cover to make even a 30minute video, which would be great.

    Thanks

  7. kyskyles

    I have a hard time understanding the logic of shipping 107s or comparable hands on the but when everybody expects people to ship light on the button and you have 6 more hands to find a better spot. perhaps you can enlighten me why its not better to just wait for a better spot regardless of the fact that you only have 6bbs.

  8. Hagbard Celine

    because shoving there is unexploitably +EV and folding is neutral EV.

    that means that it doesn’t matter that they know we’re light. in fact, it means it doesn’t know if we show them our hand, given the money in the pot and our stack, they will not be able to call or fold enough to make us lose money on this shove.

  10. kyskyles

    I understand the fact that it is a mathematically unexploitable shove. i guess my real question is am i shooting myself in the foot by passing on spots like this? I use sit and go wizard but tend to push quite a bit tighter than suggested. It just seems like a damn dirty shame to put those last few chips in with a raggedy hand and little fold equity (but i see everybody else doing it). Im not hating just looking for some guidance.

  11. Hagbard Celine

    yes, you are shooting yourself in the foot.

    if you are properly bankrolled for the games you play, then the variance of individual hands should not affect you, but only the expected value of them in the long run.

    in the T7s hand, i have a neutral EV option of folding, but i also have an undeniably +EV option of shoving. i will, on avg, make chips with this play. period.

    you emotional connection to the tourney or whether or not it would be a shame to lose with a hand you don’t like doesn’t matter at all.

  12. staks2spind

    You keep on teaching ! Great material ! Although I would like a video on all blind stacks and what we should be doing with them.
    thanks

  13. Sickbay

    Hey Hagbard!

    I don’t know if this thread is still monitored but I have some questions about the video:

    1. about the 7Ts hand, how do you find out if it’s unexploitable? I’m not sure I understand although i shove 7Ts there because I know it’s correct but I don’t really know why it is?

    2. 44 hand–> i don’t really get why would you be more inclined to shove here vs aggresive players – you want to take a play away from them? what would you do with 99? or AK? in this case given that you want to go to showdown you’re more inclined to raise-call?

    Thanks!

  14. Hagbard Celine

    1. i know because of work off the tables with shove charts and push/fold programs like sng whiz.

    2. you’ll have to tell me when the hand is. but in general, i’ll shove a hand that i feel is ahead of a range, but vulnerable, like 44, but raise/call stronger hands that do better against/crush that same range.

  17. xtremeungar

    Love this type of vids. I woulda played a couple of hands differently which is why I am not winning player yet. Hopefully watching these would help. The 107s hand I understand perfectly…. the 66 I prob fold. The other hand with 88 in which is raised and some guy commits himself (of course had he shoved maybe I snap call) but since he minraised with almost nothing behind maybe I just fold my 88s….It also hurts our stack a bit… another hand… the one with KJo from the SB… I don’t see how he can fold after making such big raise with the amount behind which is why I dont like the shove there from the SB…. Would like to see If I am way off on these comments??? Thanks in advance and for all these works.. excellent

  18. mavman

    hey i also enjoyed the video hagard ,keep makin em bro ,theyre def good ,i like that they r specific in what they are teaching ,def helping a fish like me lol

  19. PapaCheese

    That was honestly like watching and listening to paint dry. The video would probably be half the length if it wasn’t for all the dead air the ‘umm’s. And putting someone on a wide 3-bet range because that’s what HEM says, even though it’s a ridiculously small sample seems just stupid.

  20. Madis

    The 77 hand really makes me think. But some what slow talking few times and lot of “excuse me” interrupted but just throwing it out there. Other wise very good video and thanks 🙂

  22. LISB0N

    Hi,

    I have a doubt, when you put the slide with the math and have the equity against shover and in the 88 hand example, you put the (3150+2800+1400+8745+65083)/56338 and you say we need ~42% equity in the hand.

    My question is: I make that and the result that give me is 1,440, how do you came with ~42% equity ?

    thanks.

  23. daveyt86

    Ive had this trouble aswell but my understanding is add the pot together (3145) then divide that by how much you need to call (2245) which =1.400 you then add 1 which gives you 2.400. then you get 100 divide by 2.400 which gives you your %

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