8 Responses to “TPE Theory: Meta-Game Adjustments (Part 2)”
duggs
loving the series
interesting Q10 hand, would you also expect that by checking the turn you take all sets/2pair hands out of your percieved range because they will bet for value/protection on the turn, and your range contains hands like Qx, A10s with a bd fd, random 10x hands, that you are drawing cheaply but cant sustain a river bet with? like to me given its BVB id immediately assume you are raising a semibluff and checking back because of the blank turn card(and to draw cheaply?
i probably never have sets on that board bc im sure he’d assume 99 JJ and KK all get 3b pre (and he’d be right). im hardly ever drawing either since its rainbow board and all draws except T8 are gutters. Hands would have to be like KQ JQ Q9 or AT KT JT T9; so its still kinda hard for me to be “semi bluffing” the flop. like i said in the video, on the flop it really looks like im polarized (nuts or nothing). then checking the turn bc i cant rep anything
thats a tough question. i hadnt completely planned that far ahead. i knew i was likely going to go for raise/check/bet or raise but sizing wasn’t completely clear. if hes calling a flop raise and check two more streets, id have to assume hes trying to reach showdown cheaply with some sort of showdown value. since his stack was somewhere like 1.3x pot OTR, i think “standard” would be making it 1/2 to 2/3 pot size bets, between 95k-120k
at 24:00 with A5 on the AAKT7 board, you check back flop and then bet turn (which i like) and then you go through the merits of overbet shoving your 137k into the 107k pot on the river.
i havent actually seen what you did in the end, but on the turn you bet 24k into 56k. I think in this spot it might be better to bet more like 35k. i know this is more than normal, but what it does is makes the pot 129k if villain calls and we will have 125k on the river, so it sets up a river shove much more easily. interested to hear your thoughts on it. forgive me if you go through it after the hand, i wanted to post this before i knew results.
the 24k on the turn WAS pretty small, and could likely afford to go bigger. in-game i felt it was best way to induce him to make potential c/r’s on the turn. had it been later in the FT i would have known more solidly that he never check/raises turns (i think from video and HH it becomes more apparent later). but my reasoning on the turn is much of the same on the river – these opportunities are rare and i was hoping to make what i could, as frequently as i could. had i known he had KT certainly i would have gone thicker, but at present time i think he folds to overbet shoves on the river anyway.
duggs
loving the series
interesting Q10 hand, would you also expect that by checking the turn you take all sets/2pair hands out of your percieved range because they will bet for value/protection on the turn, and your range contains hands like Qx, A10s with a bd fd, random 10x hands, that you are drawing cheaply but cant sustain a river bet with? like to me given its BVB id immediately assume you are raising a semibluff and checking back because of the blank turn card(and to draw cheaply?
at 37:49
duggs
also what sizing would you be betting if he just checked river?
MovesLikeDarvin
i probably never have sets on that board bc im sure he’d assume 99 JJ and KK all get 3b pre (and he’d be right). im hardly ever drawing either since its rainbow board and all draws except T8 are gutters. Hands would have to be like KQ JQ Q9 or AT KT JT T9; so its still kinda hard for me to be “semi bluffing” the flop. like i said in the video, on the flop it really looks like im polarized (nuts or nothing). then checking the turn bc i cant rep anything
MovesLikeDarvin
thats a tough question. i hadnt completely planned that far ahead. i knew i was likely going to go for raise/check/bet or raise but sizing wasn’t completely clear. if hes calling a flop raise and check two more streets, id have to assume hes trying to reach showdown cheaply with some sort of showdown value. since his stack was somewhere like 1.3x pot OTR, i think “standard” would be making it 1/2 to 2/3 pot size bets, between 95k-120k
james87
very good vid man..great insight
bennymacca
at 24:00 with A5 on the AAKT7 board, you check back flop and then bet turn (which i like) and then you go through the merits of overbet shoving your 137k into the 107k pot on the river.
i havent actually seen what you did in the end, but on the turn you bet 24k into 56k. I think in this spot it might be better to bet more like 35k. i know this is more than normal, but what it does is makes the pot 129k if villain calls and we will have 125k on the river, so it sets up a river shove much more easily. interested to hear your thoughts on it. forgive me if you go through it after the hand, i wanted to post this before i knew results.
bennymacca
having said all of the above, i like your reasoning with regards to to value betting on the river as opposed to shoving
MovesLikeDarvin
the 24k on the turn WAS pretty small, and could likely afford to go bigger. in-game i felt it was best way to induce him to make potential c/r’s on the turn. had it been later in the FT i would have known more solidly that he never check/raises turns (i think from video and HH it becomes more apparent later). but my reasoning on the turn is much of the same on the river – these opportunities are rare and i was hoping to make what i could, as frequently as i could. had i known he had KT certainly i would have gone thicker, but at present time i think he folds to overbet shoves on the river anyway.