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TPE Member Duggs Hand History Review (Part 3)
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duggs
how close to the bubble was this?
duggs
this video is awesome,
regarding 76o hand where you advocate raising? is it not better to allow him to barrel his air?
and v opponents that are very fit/fold postflop, isnt it ideal to be unbalanced on the turn ?
redvulture61
You should be double barreling with a very high frequency these days.
redvulture61
At 19.36 although i agree donk betting is terrible in all forms of poker duggs has not really got much to be afraid of even if he did. His opponent hardly ever has pocket Aces here so he effectively has the nuts. Also, even if his opponent had a flush he still has 30% equity and its just a plain old cooler. I think the best line with Jacks there is there to check raise. You can get value from Ax, flush draws, straight draws. Maybe i am out of mind i don’t know.
donkrx
Donk betting after flopping a set is not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be, and I’d be willing to bet that most critics of the play haven’t even tried it themselves. It always looks like a garbage hand (bluff) or draw at best to a lot of ‘thinking’ players which gets them to do really odd and spewy things, and I’m speaking from actual experience. Obviously I’m not saying its always the best play, but aggressive opponents will often spaz out with air or just way overplay some type of medium strength value hand that they’d normally fold at some point in the hand if you check raised flop (or check/call flop, check/raise turn). It depends on the board and your opponent, but a donk lead essentially always looks weak which is ultimately what you’re trying to do when you have a strong hand. You might get a cbet 100% by checking but honestly what you’re trying to do is make the most money you possibly can off your set, not just get that cbet from his air … so if your opponent only freaks out like 25% of the time, he’s gonna end up putting so much in the pot that 25% that it easily becomes more profitable in the long run.
Also something worth mentioning – I dont know if it was this particular video or not but I remember hearing Chris say that bigdogpckt5s suggested whenever an opponent donk bets you should just raise every single time no matter what you have. That comment illustrates my point that it always looks weak to a thinking aggressive player, and not only do they refuse to fold but they’re also very inclined to shove a lot of money in. So you can’t just argue that we lose value to our opponent’s air range. I mean, I think it makes people feel like they’re getting exploited if they just fold (and nowadays people HATE that; everyone wants to be completely unexploitable) so that’s another great reason why the play can work really well.
MovesLikeDarvin
in the emails you sent me its stated that 295/296 was the bubble and the 88 hand you played is definitely after the bubble burst. hope this helps
MovesLikeDarvin
yeah i agree donk-betting to induce on players you know have that uber aggressive streak is a good idea in many situations.
Spewdini
around 40:30 when duggs opens QJo…me personally its an okay hand to open near the bubble. I agree that it opens our play up to tricky spots we dont wanna get in! But when the flop comes out and we get check called I thought soemthing was fishy. When we check back the turn and the queen comes on the river dont we often times check back river because we have showdown value? I mean I am nowhere near the player as probably either one of you, but if we were to get raised what do we actually beat? In most cases Ive come acrossed they usually always have it there. Especially when he doesn’t jam the rest of his stack. My thought on the river was simply fold to the raise because it just didn’t seem right. And it allows him to do something like that to where we are once again put in another spot we dont wanna be in. Just some thoughts…am curious to see what everyone else has to say!
ctlime123
can you please upload us the M shove chart ?
MovesLikeDarvin
m shoves are available on the first video comment sections
MovesLikeDarvin
agree with most of what you say here. depending on exact proximity to the money bubble, we have a bit of a different argument here. i dont get to see where the bubble is in instant replayer so i didnt have that exact info on hand during the analysis.
as for the river bet, i think its a bet by default just bc we have determined (accurately in my opinion) that the BB is a doofus who is pretty much randomly clicking buttons. yes he showed up with a nutted hand HERE, but i think in varying other scenarios he might look us up with just a 5, a T, random pairs, EVEN lesser queens sometimes (why not? he defended Q3o, maybe he has Q7s and flopped a backdoor draw! hes that bad, you cant rule it out outright.)
in summary, i think the river BET is a great one, but the the CALL of the check/raise is ill conceived and should have probably been a fold.
pickupstixx
i remeber bigdog saying this as well. something along the lines of “just donk bet into me with the nuts and you’ll get my stack”.
you see donk bets then raises so often nowadays. i use it when i can but it has to look really fishy like a 1x the blind or 2x max