23 Responses to “TPE Member Duggs Hand History Review (Part 1)”

  3. duggs

    firstly thanks a lot for doing this i really appreciate it.

    79ss hand, my real concern with raising the flop is that we rep such a thin value range, on this board we arent likely to be raising smaller overpairs and with the paired board there are only 4 combos of sets in our range compared with the usual 9. but raise/check back does make a ton of sense. are you just r/f flop tho?
    as played river is pretty bad and looks like wishful thinking. I doubt Ax ever pots river tho

    Q8o SB hand i think my sizing is gross. any thoughts on preflop sizing BVB when going after him?

    33, i prob only peel a 245 board that doesnt contain a 3.

    K7o flat is god awful.

  4. runningouts

    awesome video Chris, I love that you had done so much prep ahead of time, it makes all the difference. I didn’t have any comments on any specific hands, really enjoyed your analysis and you cover stuff that I definitely wouldn’t be thinking about.

  7. MovesLikeDarvin

    97s i dont really love any line we can take there; i think it would be close between r/f flop or what you did on the flop. i just like r/f flop bc all his broadway hands that have total air are likely to just give up this early, and then the added benefit of turn and river dynamics being changed. on the flop if he can make a hero play and 3b us off a flush draw, then so be it.

    ill have to double check the Q8o hand as idk what youre referencing specifically atm.

    i like your thoughts on the 33 hand, i think youre referencing a hand i said to just use 33 as a setmine?

    #1 thing you can do when you see something you think of as “god awful,” is call it god awful exactly once, learn why its bad and how to change it, and then let all negative thoughts about it go from then on.

  8. duggs

    re:Q8o,
    i just noticed during the review that i was 2.5xing BVB v the weaker opponent with super deep effective stacks, which i think is gross since he is going to be super fit/fold postflop and fold pre virtually never, and that makes me want to make preflop bigger and flop smaller? Is that thinking correct?

    re: 97s yea i guess im a bit worried about repping so much air and getting 3bet bluffed but i just dont think its going to happen enough on reflection. do we expect him to 3bet or flat his overpairs? JJ+ surely 3bet for value but i expect his lower pairs to flat?

  9. MovesLikeDarvin

    i wouldnt worry too much about the bvb play. opponent seemed manageable and i dont think the tilting theory has too much merit.

    i think youre 3bet so infrequently that you dont need to worry too much about it. if youre correct and he 3bets you JJ+ thats less than 2% of possible hands, if with bluffs and a value range, hes at most 3betting you 1/20 times. thats perfectly fine to r/f a flush draw there. the amount of times you win by blowing him off air more than accounts for times you lose by getting 3bet off a flush draw.

  10. Quadjokers

    Hi Chris,

    Firstly great video, some really informative info about things we can do away from the tables with SS etc.

    Just wanted to get your thoughts on the shove chart you posted, it seems way off with some ranges, for instance straight off the bat with 10M (24bb) it says optimal shove range is 22+ AX+ K2s+ K6+ Q2s+ J2s+ J8o+ T4s+ T7+ 95s+ 97o 84s+ 87 74s+ 76 64s+ 53s+

    Just looking at this 1st range, I cannot imagine a scenario except with maybe hand like 22-66 & some suited broadways where I would ever imagine shoving so many big blinds, there are a lot of hands here 77+ A9s+ AT+ where we could most certainly raise induce.

    The same would apply for pretty much every hand in the 10M range because with 24bb its such a nice stack size that we have a lot of flexibility with using raise folds, raise calls etc that I just cant ever see open jamming 95% of these hands on the list profitable.

    Just looking through it briefly I feel it becomes a better chart when we get down to the under 7M range as 7M in most structures would be around 16bb which again arguably vs some people we can still have a raise fold range based on their hud stats & our reads on them.

    Would be interesting for you to perhaps post a video on this chart or at least some detailed feedback on your thoughts based on my thoughts as myself being a 90% turbo player depend heavily on making sure I am making the correct shoves in my game.

    Many Thanks

    Dan

  12. redvulture61

    I also don’t like how you advocate not playing good hands in position against tough players. If i had to play every single one of my hands out of position against the average tpe member of this site i would either win significantly less money or i would be loosing money overall.

  14. MovesLikeDarvin

    Hey Dan,

    Good question. I think you may be misreading the chart a bit. Not to ask a dumb question, but you are aware that this range would be given your position (I assume this is a small blind v bb position). As I believe I said in the video, I tend to only use these for 6M or less. Also I cant claim to be a turbo wizard with shove ranges.

    I say I only apply the charts for ~6M or less for the exact reasons you bring up in this comment – you can r/f r/c etc with some flexibility in your stack size, therefore purely shoving or folding could in many cases be a mistake.

    Hope this helps

  16. MovesLikeDarvin

    As with above, not totally sure what you mean here. I do say in particular spots at duggs’ table I don’t like playing some hands against the tougher players at the table while there were 3-4 good spots to be had elsewhere. By discouraging duggs to play 97s in position there, I do not mean to make a blanket generalization that everyone should avoid the tougher players with all speculative hands, even in position.

    Also dont know what you mean by the last statement.

  17. donkrx

    Great points in this video. I think you could probably spend a little less time on certain things (like the intro) but I liked the time you spent on the 97s and QTo hands.

    redvulture, the reason he’s suggesting to avoid 97s here is mainly because the pot is super tiny compared to stack sizes. We aren’t going to gain anything by playing it… the chances that we flop huge are so rare that the amount of times we lose a small pot will more than outweigh the times we win a medium pot. Also, if our opponent is good, he’s not going to pay us off very much even if he has AA and we flop 972.

    The more I think about NLHE mtts the more I wish there were antes at level 1. I still dont really understand why there aren’t…. until antes come into play, mtts are so incredibly straightforward and boring.

  19. rounder0303

    97s hand. What are we repping by raising the flop? I don’t think he is going to fold any hands here and since we’ve already made our assumption that this player is good, he would probably sniff this out more often than not?

  21. AllDayMcCray

    Man I really hate what that chart just made me do lol. I had just under 6 M in a somewhat shallow tournament and it had me shove A3suited HJ+4 which in this instance was UTG. Like I said it was a shallow tournament and when I got snap called by AQsuited it felt like a serious punt. Any thoughts on adjusting the chart for tournaments that play a little shallower or am I just being results oriented here?

  22. pickupstixx

    just a lil note that Wage n Warz is in the top 10 Australian players for 2012. i guess it shows missing out on profiling someone (esp. on your left) could be costly

  23. timberedge

    Chris – great series! I’m wondering what the source of the M charts is, and how they were calculated. I noticed that they are significantly different from the Kill Everyone charts. Any thoughts on the differences between the two? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

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