14 Responses to “LOL Liveaments – Hand History Review with Andrew Brokos (Part 1)”

  1. Riar

    Hi Andrew !
    Great video as usual =) I have a question: how would you play the AK hand at min 33, without having the history you have vs this villain ?

  2. Foucault

    Probably the same. I think in position with very shallow stacks on such a static board, there’s a lot to be said for checking the flop with your entire range.

  4. JD

    I’m not a fan of you hand at 20min. When UTG and UTG+2 limps I think ATo is a fold. Even though they limp I’m sure they still have standards, and there are going to be almost no hands in a typical UTG limp calling range that you dominate (except maybe JTs, 9Ts and suited aces; I can see him sometimes limp folding QTs and KTs, especially with your later read that this tournament seems like a big deal to him). Even if there are a lot of medium to small pocket pairs and suited connectors in both ranges that you are targeting, what about everyone to act after you? So unless you had read that UTG limp folds a lot, or limp calls with junk like K8o, or you see people ready to fold to improve your position, or if you’re suited, I don’t see much good coming from playing ATo in that spot. I’m probably letting 1 or 2 hand of previous play influence me too much, but I seemed to remember doing something like this before and either getting valued owned by AKo or 5 people see the flop and my hand is worthless on almost every flop. And after he checked called the turn was TPTK really in your bluffing target? Maybe this particular $1k plays differently than the $100-$200 live tourneys I play but that is a suicidal bluffing target in my games.

  5. ATrainBoston

    I voted 10 stars for this one, but I do have one minor quibble.

    I have been advocating for live MTT content for a while, and wrote a post a while back proposing that it was possible to make good worthwhile live vids. So I am happy to see this, and from a favorite coach no less. My suggestion is, can you please but the hands into a replayer? It would make it more visual. As it is now, it’s like Andrew Brokos wrote an article and is discussing it on a video. If it’s too much work to put the hands into a replayer, whatever, but we are paying $$ to be here!! Thanks

  7. Foucault

    Let me preface this by saying that taking isolation a little too far would not be out of character for me.

    Had the action folded to me, I would open this hand from this position. The question, then, is whether the limpers should make me more or less inclined to raise. If they had good limping ranges, the answer should be less. You are right that EP action of any kind ought to be worrisome. In the event that I believe I am ahead of their ranges and that they will play badly post-flop, then the presence of the limpers actually makes me more inclined to raise – it’s essentially added dead money in the pot.

  8. Foucault

    Thanks for the suggestion ATrain. Most of the replayers of live hands that I’ve seen are a huge pain to use and don’t always work that well even after you input all the details. Think of it this way: a lot of preparation goes into making a video like this even before I create HHs. It’s a lot more work than just firing up some tournaments I was gong to play anyway and then just clicking record and talking about whatever comes up. Assuming I’m going to spend some fixed amount of time on preparation, would you rather that time went into creating better HHs or better content? That’s not a rhetorical question, by the way: I can see arguments for the former, if it helps you get more out of the video. I’m curious what other people think. Thanks again!

    Andrew

  10. nonsimplesimon

    Hey Foucault – great to see you on here – I used to listen to your vids back in the dino-ages of Pokersavvy plus lol…

    I don’t understand why you’re so eager to gii with AK – tptk and folding KK later – both versus “nits” – when they are essentially the same hands versus the same opponents – how is it different? Is it because in the AK hand your hand is not as defined as it is in the KK hand? Is it because in the AK hand your stacks are shallow and you were “committed”?

    thanks

  11. Double D

    I must say i agree with an earlier comment , the. A 10 , 3rd position hand is such an easy fold . In fact i was surprised you didn’t even offer ” fold ” as an option . The later hand when you shoved K 10 , showed you the type of hands these weak stations who normally play in low buy in games will limp with. But i’m also adding into my thinking , 4 or 5 to act after me so A 10 is an easy fold.
    Also whilst not hating yout K 10 shove , i think again its fraught with danger against weak players who will typically limp and call any raise , against one of these guys with 6x your stack its almost always getting called . In fact in the hand both players appeared to have trapped you perfectly.
    Also i am amazed you got the guy to fold a K earlier when you turned 2cnd pr into a bluff on the river , all credit to you but i am convinced you would have been out of the tournament more times than winning the pot against most of these players.

  12. mike666

    Great video, Andrew! Also thanks for putting some resources in the end of the video, it is very valuable. Would be great if you could refer us to some great resources from time to time in the future videos as well. Also it would be great to put a list of those resources into the description of the video (if it is technically possible).

  13. Yagasmurf

    Love the video as well as your podcast. Perhaps instead of a re-player, can you put up just a static preflop visual with position and stacks around a table (like Harrington on Hold-em). I know the concepts here are much more advanced than that series, but this might be a quick, easy way to get visual without wasting programming time. Keep-em coming and good luck to you and Nate at the main event this year.

  14. RockstarRossi

    Thanks for sharing, great vid…wanted to discuss the KK hand a bit, mostly for shits n giggles, but also to discuss options vs “nit”, and ask “Are all nits created equal?”

    When you bet/fold the turn with KK vs the nit on the Jd4d8s flop that was c/called then 6h turn he x/r’s you, what exactly is this nits range and why would you feel that bet/folding turn is best against that range? There is no flush on board yet, so we can cross that out. Based on your reads of that player, you are basically beating everything he has that you talked about him possibly having, and only losing to sets. He won’t have the straight ever (based on your reads of his pf play, unless you think there is a chance he is the first flatter oop with 57), and all his top pair hands are capped to 1 pair that we beat, and his slow plays preflop would consist of exactly AA or QQ.

    So it basically says that you are soul reading that the villain flopped a set on you. Your commentary simply says “When a nit x/r’s you on the turn, you fold”. This statement sounds pretty exploitable. Can you elaborate on what brings you to this specific conclusion in this spot? Are you mostly relying on your baseline reads of said player, or is there something going on in the hand that you are picking up on? Is any player you label a “nit” who x/r’s you on the turn going to get you to fold out the top of your range?

    So going back to my original question, of what you think this villians range is, would checking back the turn have any merit? Do we feel that we are going to get 3 streets of value with our 1 pair/ overpair here often? If villain’s range can be narrowed after he x/c the flop bet, we can see he still has the slim possibility of AA or QQ (although many would x/r right here), AJ/KJ/QJs/TJs/9Ts, AdXd, and all 3 set possibilities, and you can’t totally discount the gapper suited combo draws or random 2 pair hands that he hits, even tho your label of his nittyness won’t have them be in his range much.

    Checking back turn does give up some value for all the draws that we give the free card to, along with his top of his range 1 pair hands (minus AA) but it will underrep our hand and set up a nice spot where we can get that value on the river when we induce a bluff for those missed draws, or they value bet worse into us, or we can get to showdown vs the 40% of his narrowed range that had us beat on the turn. (Also we have equity against his 2 pairs and sets, albeit small, that we give up when we bet/fold turn). Also, when he x/c the turn, there are going to be some river cards that we are not going to thin value bet anyway, so we will be forced to check back and therefore again only get those 2 streets of value in.

    It seems to me that standard TAG nits will have QQ/Jx or the FD w/ overs or combo straight+flush draws when they x/r us on this turn spot equally as much as them having a set/AA/2pr**, so rather than just bet/folding, by checking back turn, we get to showdown and pick up real time information to help our baseline reads of said “nit”.

    **I think your perceived image would be good to talk about/think about in these spots also in order to be able to differentiate when we should be bet/folding vs checking back vs bet/calling also, which I’m not sure we knew much about. Finally, definitely helps to know if we had the Kd blocker or not!

    So I guess I’m trying to break everything down to determine if we think that we are going to be getting 3 streets of value enough of the time here to just always want to bet turn. And also trying to find out how valuable it is at this stage of the tournament (still middle stages) to pick up factual information on villain vs assumed information, along with building some meta game and game flow dynamics with villain for later stages (again adding value to the check back turn line vs the bet/fold line).

    Again thanks for the vid, I’m looking forward to the rest of the series!

    RR

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