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my first trip to vegas, wondering if anyone can answer a question regarding preregistration. if i wire the rio money but then decide i would rather use some of the $ for cash tables rather than tourney play can you get cash from them?

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my first trip to vegas, wondering if anyone can answer a question regarding preregistration. if i wire the rio money but then decide i would rather use some of the $ for cash tables rather than tourney play can you get cash from them?

i THINK the answer to this is yes.  But im not 100% sure so don't quote me on that.

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In for drinks later in the series.

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Totally missed this thread but it looks like I will be out there from May 27- Mid july. Have a house booked for a month and a half with my roommate and some friends. This will actually be my first full series so I’m really excited. Def gonna try to make the meetup as well. If anyone is interested I actually posted my package in the staking forum. Can’t wait!!!!!

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booked my flight today!!!!! no turning back now!

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I will be in Vegas from June 5th to June 12th. I'll likely be available if any other events happen during that time. Provided I'm not neck deep in chips.

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looking like a good crew in Vegas this summer!  You know I like a beer, so im always down for grabbing a drink after tourneys with any and all members of the nation!

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We need Diego's spreadsheet and number crunching insight to help figure out which timbeys provide the best structure and rake value per dollar.

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The link I posted earlier in the thread does have rake % of all tournies.

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I'd like to know how the rake jives with the structure (starting stack, levels, time per level) to more clearly see which are the best buys. This is probably too much to ask since this is really just a shell game the casinos use to confuse us kinda like buying a car based on interest rate, sticker price, down payments, incentives, etc.

 

If I recall correctly, Diego did something last year where he looked at all the info and figured out which were the best deals. I think he talked about it on a podcast. Maybe I'll go back and find that and compare it to the info on the spreadsheet to see what has changed.

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After doing a few hours of research, it looks like the Wynn might be the best bet.

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I'm afraid the spreadsheet I made did not go in-depth to quantitatively analyze the best deals.  It was to just look at two WSOP structures side by side and get a sense for how fast the tourneys with smaller chips to start plays.

 

Here's a link to it.  If anyone wants to add to it for rake and better analysis feel free!

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Carlos said:

I'd like to know how the rake jives with the structure (starting stack, levels, time per level) to more clearly see which are the best buys. This is probably too much to ask since this is really just a shell game the casinos use to confuse us kinda like buying a car based on interest rate, sticker price, down payments, incentives, etc.

 

If I recall correctly, Diego did something last year where he looked at all the info and figured out which were the best deals. I think he talked about it on a podcast. Maybe I'll go back and find that and compare it to the info on the spreadsheet to see what has changed.

New member, first post. Aloha!

 

Another variable is what I will coin as “winnability” or how a tournament's structure, expected field and payout size, and buyin pricepoint  will define the field and how a player would define his or her edge (or lack thereof) against said expected field. Basically beatability, or how difficult it is to fade the field vs how much is available to win vs how much it costs to enter with a given structure.

Its kind of like factoring in the field of the early morning old man single table satty's against the WSOP daily deepstacks against the Binion's tournies such as you experienced last summer.

 

Its a bit esoteric, and each player would have to subjectively consider these factors in addition to the basic structure/rake analysis as part of their schedule design.

 

If one is rolled for it… the monster stack June 26 WSOP event 51 is must see TV. Huge stack to start, hour levels, WSOP structure, huge field. I assume a (potentially significant) portion of the field will lack the patience or experience to adjust to the deeeeeep structure; they will be used to not waiting around for great spots which will come or may punt a big slice of their stack with one pair.  Given my time (and bank) roll, this is the event around which I am building my end of June trip. I hope to see you there. I hope my table draw doesn't suck, LOL.

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TPE Meetup will be June 6/2014, this has been decided based on the wsop schedule, there is not a big Nlh event that day other than the seniors event and we want to have as many people at this event as possible so June 6th it is.

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Me and 2 of my good buddies now live in vegas (summerlin area), we just drove down from MI like 5 days ago. Anyways we’ll def try to hit up that event on the 30th at gold coast. @ttwist, so where’s the meet up on June 6th at? I don’t plan on playing too many if any wsop events but ill have to see what kind of sattys they have on wsop.com once we get internet

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ttwist said:

TPE Meetup will be June 6/2014, this has been decided based on the wsop schedule, there is not a big Nlh event that day other than the seniors event and we want to have as many people at this event as possible so June 6th it is.

 

Is this open to non-TPE people too?  

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We actually had to move it from the 30th to the 6th.  So no meetup on the 30th, just the 6th!

 

Other details remain the same.

 

and feel free to bring a guest!

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Alright hot, see you boys out there!

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Is Focault gonna be there?

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And where is the meet up?

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Gold Coast bowling alley. Not sure if Andrew will be there or not. I asked him about his schedule the other day and he was not 100% sure yet when he would be out there.

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Hey guys, I’m in Vegas for 10 nights, 7th June to 17th June. Playing 3 WSOP events and will fill in other days with Rio DDS or Venetian DSE events in the unlikely event that I bust the WSOP events before the final day 😉

Be good to meet some of you guys if you’re about!

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meetup still at 7pm?

 

TPE Meetup will be June 6/2014, this has been decided based on the wsop schedule, there is not a big Nlh event that day other than the seniors event and we want to have as many people at this event as possible so June 6th it is.

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7pm it is! Can't wait to see what the bowling trophies look like!

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I’m booked for June 15th to 24th. Gonna do a few Venetians survivor/bounty 300/400/600’s and the wsop 1K on 22nd and try to squeeze a Wynn 270+30 in there. Gotta bring the ol ‘ lady though she bout threw a fit when I suggested Goin solo.

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lapp3r30 said:

ttwist said:

TPE Meetup will be June 6/2014, this has been decided based on the wsop schedule, there is not a big Nlh event that day other than the seniors event and we want to have as many people at this event as possible so June 6th it is.

 

Is this open to non-TPE people too?  

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sure is cool the more the merrier!

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Weatherman said:

Carlos said:

I'd like to know how the rake jives with the structure (starting stack, levels, time per level) to more clearly see which are the best buys. This is probably too much to ask since this is really just a shell game the casinos use to confuse us kinda like buying a car based on interest rate, sticker price, down payments, incentives, etc.

 

If I recall correctly, Diego did something last year where he looked at all the info and figured out which were the best deals. I think he talked about it on a podcast. Maybe I'll go back and find that and compare it to the info on the spreadsheet to see what has changed.

New member, first post. Aloha!

 

Another variable is what I will coin as “winnability” or how a tournament's structure, expected field and payout size, and buyin pricepoint  will define the field and how a player would define his or her edge (or lack thereof) against said expected field. Basically beatability, or how difficult it is to fade the field vs how much is available to win vs how much it costs to enter with a given structure.

Its kind of like factoring in the field of the early morning old man single table satty's against the WSOP daily deepstacks against the Binion's tournies such as you experienced last summer.

 

Its a bit esoteric, and each player would have to subjectively consider these factors in addition to the basic structure/rake analysis as part of their schedule design.

 

If one is rolled for it… the monster stack June 26 WSOP event 51 is must see TV. Huge stack to start, hour levels, WSOP structure, huge field. I assume a (potentially significant) portion of the field will lack the patience or experience to adjust to the deeeeeep structure; they will be used to not waiting around for great spots which will come or may punt a big slice of their stack with one pair.  Given my time (and bank) roll, this is the event around which I am building my end of June trip. I hope to see you there. I hope my table draw doesn't suck, LOL.

Me and a couple of buddies are trying to get there for the monster stack as well.   The structure looks solid and there should definitely be some insane value in the field.  That will probably be the only WSOP event I'll play.  The rest of the time will be spent on smaller tournaments, sngs, and cash.  I'm very excited as this will be my first WSOP!
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lapp3r30 said:

For people who don't have some form of spreadsheet.. Here it is in all it's glory.  This lists all tournie series going on during the WSOP.

 

…..m/WSOP2014

 

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TY TY!  Came to this thread hoping to find a spreadsheet.  I have had some good online success lately after diving in to the TPE community and learning a ton.  A nice bink the other night is going to allow me to get out to WSOP for the first time this year.  No dates set yet but hope for 4-5 days in Vegas, probably focusing on venetian and other small buy-in events.  Hope to meet a few of the TPE guys while out there and sooo excited to come play!

 

Edit: Might try and be out there for June 6 for the TPE meetup, where can I get more info on this (time, place)?

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June 6th, 2014 at 7pm at the Gold Coast Bowling Alley (Right next door to the Rio)

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I was wondering if I should, or KB could maybe start a thread for “Where are you playing today/tomorrow?” Type thing. Where players who won't be at the Rio so much may have an opportunity to meet and say Hi and such. I'll be at Binions, PH, Nugget, Aria along w WSOP dailies… But it would be cool to have a thread like that. Should I start it? Is there interest?

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lapp3r30 said:

I was wondering if I should, or KB could maybe start a thread for “Where are you playing today/tomorrow?” Type thing. Where players who won't be at the Rio so much may have an opportunity to meet and say Hi and such. I'll be at Binions, PH, Nugget, Aria along w WSOP dailies… But it would be cool to have a thread like that. Should I start it? Is there interest?

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I can definitely do that!  coming right up!!

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chaz78 said:

Playing 6 WSOP events and a bunch of $235 dds:
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Looking forward to meeting some TPE members/instructors, I'd be in for beers and bowling. Gl all!

awesome and good luck

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5 MORE SLEEPS!

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So wanted to be there for Milly Maker and early tourneys.  Can't do it this year for a few reasons.  But, will be there for the MAIN…….

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3 more sleeps…

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3 more sleeps…

Obviously you don’t nap enough. ; )

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Thought I had already posted here but don't see it…   This will be my 9th WSOP, but I usually only stay about a month – this will be my first time in for almost all of it (arriving the 28th and staying until I make the November 9, possibly with a few days away for a mental health break)

 

I hope that I won't be able to make the Meetup because I'll be obliterating the … umm … ahem … Seniors Event (the ONLY good thing about turning 50 three months ago), but if some actual old person stubbornly refuses to fold top pair to my three-barrel, I'll be there.

 

I wonder if anyone is already thinking/talking about this … it would be cool to have a TPE strategy meetup, either just among members or even better with a pro or two.  I'm even chewing around the idea of getting some people together to play a single-table tournament as if it were a big MTT and to stop and talk about hands in between.  It's something I've started doing with a group of students I'm coaching, and I find it very helpful – I could imagine doing it with just a group of members, or with members paying a pro to run it.  Oops this is more of a digression than I intended – I'll think about this some more and post my ideas – Hey, maybe I should put it in “Ask the Pros”!

 

Looking forward to meeing some of you…

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June 6th, 2014 at 7pm at the Gold Coast Bowling Alley (Right next door to the Rio)

I'm playing the seniors event that day, so I hope I don't see you guys. But if I bust out, I'll be there!

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2blacklabs said:

Killingbird said:

June 6th, 2014 at 7pm at the Gold Coast Bowling Alley (Right next door to the Rio)

I'm playing the seniors event that day, so I hope I don't see you guys. But if I bust out, I'll be there!

I mean this in the nicest way when I say “we hope we don't see you!” smile

Good luck buddy!

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I can count the days until I arrive in Vegas on 2 hands!!!

Had to skip the WSOP last year, so I'm quite rather excited to be going back this year.

May everyone's flops be good, and rivers better. (Unless they are playing vs me of course).

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2 more sleeps…

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boxes are packed. iPod is full loaded. Almost time to get this summer started!

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Super stoked. I'm heading out this Friday and registered for the Milly Maker on Saturday. Any TPE hats and hoodies for sale while your there? 

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I will have some hats there with me if you'd like. Wont even have to pay shipping! 🙂

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Just got in a few hours ago. Gonna get some sleep then food shopping in the morning followed by some cash in the afternoon. Where should I expect to find the best 2/5 $1k max buyin?

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Just got in a few hours ago. Gonna get some sleep then food shopping in the morning followed by some cash in the afternoon. Where should I expect to find the best 2/5 $1k max buyin?

Good luck Joe! I get in tomorrow night – I'll track you down to buy a piece if you're still selling.  I'm *guessing* the Rio is the answer to best 2-5, but I'm not there, and have never been there this early in the series, so I could be wrong.  I'll be curious to hear what more experienced cash grinders have to say…

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I'll be landing in Vegas in about 18 hours, and I have two choices of my first day of poker – playing the $1K bracelet event or playing “day” 1A of the Venetian $500 at noon, with the intention of playing 1B (at 5PM) if not successful in 1A, so I'm potentially putting $1K in play in either case, with obviously a much greater potential win at WSOP, but less risk and greater chance of a $5k or $10k cash at Venetian, which would be a great way to start the series.

 

My main question is what people would guess about realative field streangth in each.  My thought is that the best players will play the bracelet event, which will lower the strength of the Venetian field somewhat, but I also believe that a lot of weak players will gravitate toward an “affordable” bracelet event.  Any thoughts?

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Landed last night, Undecided on what to play today.. The DD's at Rio all day.. or maybe ill head over there after this $225 “big bounty” at the orleans..

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huge said:

I'll be landing in Vegas in about 18 hours, and I have two choices of my first day of poker – playing the $1K bracelet event or playing “day” 1A of the Venetian $500 at noon, with the intention of playing 1B (at 5PM) if not successful in 1A, so I'm potentially putting $1K in play in either case, with obviously a much greater potential win at WSOP, but less risk and greater chance of a $5k or $10k cash at Venetian, which would be a great way to start the series.

 

My main question is what people would guess about realative field streangth in each.  My thought is that the best players will play the bracelet event, which will lower the strength of the Venetian field somewhat, but I also believe that a lot of weak players will gravitate toward an “affordable” bracelet event.  Any thoughts?

$1k field will likely be softer. But variance much higher since the stacks get shorter quicker. Venetian structures are really good and your skill edge will probably have more oppty to come out there. That being said, if you can get a stack in the $1k, it could be a good old fashioned fish fry! cool

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huge said:

joesmoe88 said:

Just got in a few hours ago. Gonna get some sleep then food shopping in the morning followed by some cash in the afternoon. Where should I expect to find the best 2/5 $1k max buyin?

Good luck Joe! I get in tomorrow night – I'll track you down to buy a piece if you're still selling.  I'm *guessing* the Rio is the answer to best 2-5, but I'm not there, and have never been there this early in the series, so I could be wrong.  I'll be curious to hear what more experienced cash grinders have to say…

If it wasn't WSOP time, I'd say the Aria is a good bet for 2-5. They always seem to have a few tables going

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