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    You're in the market for a new computer, monitor, or you might be interested in upgrading a current system for your poker adventures.  I have prepared an article about the things you should consider before your purchases.  I have included a breakdown of all the important components and what you should consider. I will edit this post as technology changes or poker software change requirements. At the end of some of the categories I posted a suggested minimum, I based this on my current systems that range from 2-4 years old and current technology in the market. My suggestions are strictly for poker applications; if you plan on gaming or graphics work in addition to poker, double the suggested minimums.  I comfortably can 4-6 table on any of my systems, keep additional windows open, stream TPE videos, and chat at the same time. I will provide my systems and specifications following this exhaustive article.

PC or Mac?
     One of the biggest questions about computer purchases is what operating system to use. The most common is Windows, but Macs have gained a lot of popularity lately.  In poker, Window based computers have more options with software and peripherals. However, Macs are not too far behind. In deciding what is right for you consider your budget and what other uses you require for your computer.  I have both types of computers and play poker on both without any issues.  One important concept to consider for either system is 32-bit or 64-bit. Basically, 64-bit will allow you more options and RAM capacity.  All poker software will run on 32-bit systems without a problem, but 64-bit is becoming the standard.

Desktop or Laptop?
     Desktops are great if you want your computer to be stationary and can save you money. In most cases Desktops are easily upgraded. If you do not require a portable computer and plan on super multi-tabling then consider a Desktop. Desktops are usually current with the newest technology and have a lower cost than comparable laptops.
      Laptops are designed to be portable.  In exchange for portability you lose power and gain cost. However, the gap between laptops and desktops is thinning, so you can get a pretty powerful laptop, but it will still cost significantly more than a comparable desktop. If you need a portable computer and still want to multi-table you?re in luck, most current laptops support dual monitors. You can hook your laptop up to a second screen or HD television.

Desktop:                       Laptop:
Lower cost                   Higher Cost
More Power                 Power cost significantly more
Easily Upgraded           Hard to Upgrade
Poor portability            Very portable
Space hog                   Feng shui

CPU:
     Currently the market offers two flavors of processors: dual core and quad core.  The faster the speed and number of cores equals more power. However, the more power usually requires more energy, which could affect laptop battery life. It will also increase heat output on both types of systems. You do not need a lot of processing power for poker software. All my current computers run dual core processors and I have never experienced a problem with 4-tabeling or having a few applications running at once. However, if you plan on heavy gaming, multi-tabling simultaneously on different sites, and/or graphics work then consider quad core processor. The two major companies for CPU are Intel and AMD. Both are excellent CPUs! You can save yourself some money with AMD, the extra cost for an Intel processor is do to marketing.  Suggested minimum dual core 2.5 GHz.

RAM:
     One of the most important components of a computer is the RAM; to fully use the processing power of your system you need RAM. More RAM is always better and is fairly cheap to upgrade. The more RAM the faster your computer and greater the multi-tasking ability. Keep in mind though that a 32-bit operating system can only access up to 3.5GB of RAM. A 64-bit system can access a hell of a lot more. Also note that if your graphics card is integrated/shared it deducts from your RAM. RAM is also something that is fairly cheap and easy to install after market. I have upgraded all my computers without a problem and have bought my RAM from here . Suggested minimum 4gb.

HD:
     Like RAM larger is better for a HD, but there are some things to consider. For one, you want a HD with at least 7200RPM, the faster the speed the faster it can access stored information.  If you plan on using tracking software and plan on playing a lot, your database will grow at a steady rate, you want to make sure you have enough storage capacity. If possible, I highly suggest two HDs, this will increase efficiency. One HD can store the OS and software. The second can store saved data and database. Suggested Minimum one 500 GB HD.

Video Card:
     The video card is responsible for the output to your monitor(s); it handles maximum resolution and overall video performance.  There are two types of video cards: integrated/shared and dedicated.  Integrated/shared will use memory from your overall RAM for video performance, which deducts RAM that your computer can use. These types of cards are less expensive and are geared to general computer users. These will work fine with poker applications and software, but are limited for gaming and graphics work.  Dedicated video cards have their own memory built into the card separate from the computer's RAM. As a result overall computer performance is increased. These cards are best suited for gaming and intense graphics work. Many computers today can support dual video cards, which will greatly increase performance and open the door to extreme multi-tabling. Suggested minimum 512mb.

Monitors and Resolution:
     Resolution is dependent upon two things: your video card and the size of your monitor(s). For laptops you are limited to the size of the screen. However, if your laptop supports output to another monitor you could output to a higher resolution if your video card supports it.  If you can afford it, get a system that supports high resolution and adjust it to what you like- you can always adjust down the resolution. Certain applications in gaming and Adobe products usually require higher resolution.  If you plan on multi-tabling you will need high resolution to fit as many tables on the screen as you can.  When buying a monitor(s) make sure it supports the max resolution of your video card.  You can also hook your computer up to a HD television; this is a great option for laptop users. My primary poker computer is a laptop and I have it hooked to a Samsung HD television running 1440×900 resolution.  If you plan on going higher than 1920×1080 you will require a monitor that can support it, HD television are limited to 1920×1080.  Television are good for poker and basic computing, but poor for gaming, because of refresh rates, gaming requires extreme refresh rates, which are found in monitors.  There is a link attached to the topic for more information on resolution. The major poker sites require a minimum of 1024×768 resolution. Suggested minimum 1440×900.

13-15″: 1024×768 (2-4 Tables)
17-19″: 1280×1024 (4-6 Tables)
20″+: 1600×1200 (6-8 Tables)
19″ (Widescreen): 1440×900 (6-8 Tables)
20″ (Widescreen): 1680×1050 (8-10 Tables)
24″ (Widescreen): 1920×1200 (10-12 Tables)
30″ (Widescreen): 2560×1600 (12-14 Tables)
40″ (Widescreen Samsung HD TV): 1440×900 (6-8 Tables)-This is my setup

My setups:

Primary Poker computer:  Lenovo Thinkpad T60p dual core 2.0Ghz, 3.5GB RAM, Windows XP Pro, 200 GB 7200 RPM and 160 GB 7200 RPM HD, 256mb dedicated ATI video card, Samsung 40″ HD TV 1440×900.

Secondary:  iMac dual core 2.66 GHz 64-bit, Mac OS 10.6.6, 4.0GB RAM, Two 7200 RPM 320 GB HD, 256mb Shared Nividia, 20″ 1680×1050.

Macbook Pro: Dual core 2.26 GHz 64-bit, Mac OS 10.6.6, 4.0 GB Ram, 7200 RPM 200 GB HD, 256 MB shared, Nividia, 13.3″ 1280×800.

Laptop:  Asus M50s dual core 2.6 GHz, Windows Vista 32-bit, 3.0 GB RAM, 5400 RPM 250 GB HD, 512 MB dedicated Nividia, 15″ 1440×900 and Samsung HD TV 1440×900.

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Thanks Praetor!  This is going to be extremely helpful to those in the market for a new computer.

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Great article!

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great article. 

 

I would say that the minimum these days in terms of screen would be a bit higher than you have suggested though – getting a screen with 1080p resolution is very cheap these days, and i would say that this should be your absolute minimum. 

 

so i would highly recommend at least a 22″ screen as a minimum, but even the best 24″ are a under $300 these days. 

 

as far as multi tabling goes, 10-12 tables on a single 24″ monitor makes them pretty small if you fully tile but its doable. usually when i 10 table i have 6 on one of my 24″ screens and 4 on the other but i guess thats personal preference. 

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bennymacca said:

great article. 

 

I would say that the minimum these days in terms of screen would be a bit higher than you have suggested though – getting a screen with 1080p resolution is very cheap these days, and i would say that this should be your absolute minimum. 

 

so i would highly recommend at least a 22″ screen as a minimum, but even the best 24″ are a under $300 these days. 

 

as far as multi tabling goes, 10-12 tables on a single 24″ monitor makes them pretty small if you fully tile but its doable. usually when i 10 table i have 6 on one of my 24″ screens and 4 on the other but i guess thats personal preference. 

 

Thanks Benny! The compliment means a lot from someone as techno savvy as you.smile

 

 
     I kept the resolution lower to accommodate our micro stakes grinders or those on a budget.
Many people buy entry-level computers that usually come with a 19″ or
20″, I wanted them to know that it would support poker without a problem.
I highly agree with you if someone is considering multi-tabling though. 
10-12 tables does seem extreme on a 24″, but when researching I found a
lot of people who use this setup; I myself get lost in six tables.

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you can get a 24″ monitor for 180-250 (thats down here in australia, im sure its even cheaper in the US)

 

my advice would be that even if you have to skimp on some other part of the computer, it is 100% worth getting at least a 22″ monitor

 

personally, i am saving up for a couple of dell 27″ monitors. maybe when i bink my next big tourney 😀

 

the rest of your advice is spot on – definitely 4 gig of ram and 64 bit if you can. 

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I bought the basic (white plastic) macbook and it's not equipped to handle everything a multi-tabler will do as a FYI. 

It's the SQL databases that HEM and the like use which really slowed it down. 

I returned it right away for a 2.7 Dual Core Macbook Pro and got 8 GB of RAM. Not a single issue now.

As far as monitors I agree – 24″ is the new 22″ and 27″ is the nuts. Don't get lower – you'll thank yourself for saving up and waiting later. 

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FkCoolers said:

I returned it right away for a 2.7 Dual Core Macbook Pro and got 8 GB of RAM. Not a single issue now.

 

You will have to let me know how you like your Macbook in a couple of months. You have twice as much power as my Macbook, but the one I have still does everything I need, great computer to travel with and hooks up easy to additional monitors.

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I am kinda in a dilemma… I want to get holdem manager to start tracking everything. My GF and I currently play using 2 macbook pros (15″ and 17″) and a 17″ Dell laptop. I am not sure what the best route to go is….

Should I pay $199 for windows 7 and partition my drive, use bootcamp etc to run windows on my macbook and have my GF use the Dell?

Or buy another 17″ windows based laptop and we both use them?

Or buy the Poker Tracker software that is mac and windows compatible?

What do you guys using Macs do?

Thanks in advance.

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   I have a Mac as well and I use Poker Tracker on it, PT is a good program and will work on both platforms. However, you will probably have to buy a license for both platforms. If you want to partition your drive with Windows 7, buy an OEM copy for around $100 click here. There is a Mac program called Poker Copilot that is fairly cheap that you can look into as well. Other member's have used it and liked it. If you decide on a new laptop, look at Amazon as they have a promotion for certain Windows 7 computers you get free Xbox
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Thanks Praetor. I am a little hesitant to partion and run windows on my new $2500 Mac because of where I live and minimal Apple support. I may end up getting another windows laptop. Kinda depends on when my losing streak ends…

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Dell have super cheap monitors. I recently purchased a 24″ widescreen 1080p for $230 online, free delivery to my doorstep in 3 days. I used this as a dual monitor with my MacBook pro. Also purchased a mac magic mouse & slim line numeric keyboard for <$200, also delivered within a few days. seamless set up.

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thehyde said:

Thanks Praetor. I am a little hesitant to partion and run windows on my new $2500 Mac because of where I live and minimal Apple support. I may end up getting another windows laptop. Kinda depends on when my losing streak ends…

Losing streaks suck, hopefully you will be +EV soon and can get that computer. Let me know if you have any other questions.

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@ Praetor – I blew out in 10th tonight in a 4k rebuy so hopefully it has passed (fingers crossed). Not much for cash (only $80) but at least I cashed! I decided to just format my drive on my Dell for now and will wait on a new machine until I am cashing more. I spent too much on stuff I can't get in Costa Rica or is super expensive, in Vegas during the bootcamp.

@Cousteer – Sounds like a great deal. Too bad the Costa Rican Gov. taxes electronics from 40-80%. I saved $1400 buying my macbook pro in Orlando and just bringing back in my carry on. and most recently in Vegas I paid $499 for an ipad which costs $740 here. 

 

Speaking of electronics….. I know it is a little off topic not being about buying, but a friend of mine who is living here in Costa Rica was renting a house for a week at the beach and they got 2 macbook pros and 3 ipads stolen (worth over $5K). one of the ipads had “find my ipad” on it and one macbook had the “Prey” software on it so hopefully he can track them down. I just set up all our laptops with the “Prey” software today. It takes webcam shots, screen shots and gives the location of the laptop (or desktop, cell phone) and emails them to you if your machine goes missing.  If the thief goes online with it, it captures photos and whatever he is looking at (hopefully email or Facebook so you can ID them) along with the location using google maps or earth and the wifi site. kinda cool software and something to think about if you have a lot invested… 

 

have a great nite guys..

 

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@Cousteer – Sounds like a great deal. Too bad the Costa Rican Gov. taxes electronics from 40-80%. I saved $1400 buying my macbook pro in Orlando and just bringing back in my carry on. and most recently in Vegas I paid $499 for an ipad which costs $740 here. 

 

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next time you can save another $1400 and buy something other than a mac instead 😀

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here is what i bought recently, thought some people might be interested. i tried to convince the wife that i bought it for my masters but she pretty much saw straight through that :P. she didn't care though as i was paying for it out of poker roll. 

 

have to say that i love the solid state drive, it makes everything FLY, especially for poker. 

in terms of specs, it is probably overkill if you were using it just for poker, but im pretty sure it will last me 5 years or more now, with giving good performance. 

 

note that i already had a samsung 24″ monitor and another crappy 22″ LCD so i didn't need new monitors. in terms of keyboard, i already had a logitech wave pro keyboard and mouse combo as well, which is awesome for tableninja and poker in general. 

Prices are in AUD if you were wondering, i wonder what you could get this box in the US for. 

 

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TOTAL

CPU
Intel Core i7-2600K 3.4Ghz 1155pin Boxed CPU
1
320
320

MOBO
Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD4B3 DDR3 Intel 1155pin Motherboard
1
222
222

RAM
8G Kit 1600 G.Skill Sniper
1
94
94

CASE
Antec 300 Three-Hundard Gaming Tower without PSU
1
59
59

OPTICAL
Samsung SATA 22x Black DVD RW – 1 Year Warranty
1
29
29

PSU
Antec TruePower TP750
1
139
139

SOFTWARE
Windows 7 64 bit pro
1
138
138

 

DRIVES

SSD
Corsair Force Series 3 120GB, SandForce SF-2200 R: 550 W:510
MB/S SATA3.0
1
319
319

2x HDD
seagate barracude green 2TB ST2000
2
88
176

GRAPHICS

GRAPHICS
1GB GTX560Ti
1
249
249

 

TOTAL

1745

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bennymacca said:

next time you can save another $1400 and buy something other than a mac instead 😀

Ha! Ya. I originally bought a cool looking Alienware for big bucks, but it was super heavy and the battery only lasted 2hrs so I sold it a couple weeks later and bought my second choice… The 17″ macbook Pro. I got a teacher discount so I saved a few hundred on it and I get like 9hrs of battery life and it is super light. I wasn't thinking of it being a machine for poker but for business and web stuff at the time. You can get a lot of PC for the price of a mac and it looks like you did.

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yeah macs look cool, but i can just never justify the extra cost to myself. i would love if they released macos for pc though, i would probably get it. 

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If i wanted to 8-10 multi-table what are the basics i would need for a PC?

Ive looked at PC’s today and theres about 5/6 different processors and im just confused as to what does what, and what i need. I would basicaly use my PC for poker, internet and songs, i dont use games.

Im going to get 2 screens and i have got an idea of what 1’s to get on the great advice so far.

Im a novice with all the computer tech speak so any advice would be great thanks

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daveyt86 said:

If i wanted to 8-10 multi-table what are the basics i would need for a PC?

Ive looked at PC's today and theres about 5/6 different processors and im just confused as to what does what, and what i need. I would basicaly use my PC for poker, internet and songs, i dont use games.

Im going to get 2 screens and i have got an idea of what 1's to get on the great advice so far.

Im a novice with all the computer tech speak so any advice would be great thanks

I replied to your PM. Hit me back with your budget and I can give you some ideas.

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Hi, I am in the market for a new computer, either PC or laptop. I want to play 2 or 3 tables max but do not want them all on the one screen due to bad eyesight. I could manage 2 tables on a 22 inch monitor.

If I bought a laptop and another monitor, can I play one table on each monitor using the same mouse.

Also, do the above recommendations from praetor still apply as regards mininum computer requirments?

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