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August 27, 2012
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Hey everyone
This is my first strategy related post here. I know I didn't get max value from this hand and its been on my mind for a week so thought I'd get some feedback.
This was the first hand of a live deepstack tournement at a local casino so everyon'e 20k deep. The buy in is £55 with £4k GTD and I've binked my seat in a £10 satelite immediately before the event in question. Blinds are 25/50. I'm in seat 10 so the c/o with pocket 8s.
There are two limpers from mp seats and when it gets to me I make it 275. The button 3 bets to 775 everyone gets out of the way and I call. At this point I should say that I've played villian before and although I'm probably anonymous to him, I have him as a fish.he's a reg at the venue and I've seen him deal out some sick beats limp calling with rags and flopping the world.
So the flop comes 885 rainbow and I have my first question. I checked knowing he's continuing with everything. I also put him on a decent premium after his pf action. I'm now thinking I should have raised exactly because I expect a call. I dismissed this at the time thinking if I make him cautious I'll miss value on future streets.
Turn is a 3 and I check again. This is where I feel sure I made a mistake. I was wavering between c/c and c/r and when he bet the turn I tanked for a minute then called. The river came a ten ad I don't recall the exact suit but there was no flush possibility. By this time I'm feeling like I've missed a lot of value and I know he must know I have a decent hand.
So please fire at will. What did I do badly so far? How do you play each street and given where I ended up, what's my best play on the riv?
Thanks
September 29, 2012
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With a hand like this, the first thing I look for is how to get the stacks in. There's 1,725 in the pot and you guys have about 19k left, so you need 2 pot sized bets on the flop and turn to set up a river shove for less than pot sized. So if his c-bet is for about 1/2 pot and you just call, you cannot get the stacks in without either over shoving or having a raise put in on the flop or turn. He did 3 bet preflop so over pairs have a good chance of calling you or even spazz shoving over your raise. If he has nothing, but 2 overs, he's only 12% to pick up a pair on the turn, so I'm willing to take my shot on the flop here, hoping he has an over pair instead of AK (if his range is JJ+ and AK he has an over pair 24 times and AK 18 times/ QQ+ and AK is even with 18 versus 18). So equity wise we are better off betting he has an overpair here than his AK can catch to only call one or maybe two more bets. Therefore, I think the best play here is to raise the flop and take control of the betting and size it in a way that three bets get you all in.
June 1, 2012
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If he is a agro donk and you put him on big pockets you could rep small pockets and make 1/3rd pot donk lead on flop and hope he comes over the top then just call his raise, lead weak again on turn then try to build the pot by reraising if he raises again.
It is always so tempting to just keep c/c and hope he improves and hits his hand hard.
Hard to get it in there when you are OOP unless he has a big hand and overplays his big pockets.
August 27, 2012
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Thanks for the feedback. If I'd known how strong villian was I would have pushed harder…he had Aces. I did get three streets of value but there was clearly a much better line.
September 29, 2012
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One Eyed Mule said:
If he is a agro donk and you put him on big pockets you could rep small pockets and make 1/3rd pot donk lead on flop and hope he comes over the top then just call his raise, lead weak again on turn then try to build the pot by reraising if he raises again.
It is always so tempting to just keep c/c and hope he improves and hits his hand hard.
Hard to get it in there when you are OOP unless he has a big hand and overplays his big pockets.
This is a good line to take agaisnt someone who will spazz out against donk bets. I know I used to think these were always weak bets and would habitually raise them. So using the smae thinking I donk lead when i ahve big hands as well against players who i know will raise donk leads.
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when first to act on the turn i like check raise in this spot for the simple fact that you will have to lead the river because i would hate to check call turn and then check riv hoping they 3 barrell and then they check and i roll quads for no value so by c/r the turn it brings in the possibility of your opponent getting spewy and ripping it in on you and you get paid off or they flat call and that tells you that they have a hand they dont want to fold and you can get max value for your quads on the riv, i just think calling the turn and then leading the river looks like your strong and they will dump top pair where played the other way they may think they have a bluff catcher and may look you up or better yet spew
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