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October 6, 2010
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Hey guys,
liverpool015 asked me to do a hh review for him again, and duggs and i have talked about doing a joint review of something for a while, so here it is. hopefully you like it. it goes for about 90 minutes so we split it up into three parts.
as always comments on the play and also on our review appreciated
May 30, 2012
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sick
June 3, 2012
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Thanks heaps for the review guys. Il need to watch the vids a few times to remember all my thinking on the hands.
Pretty spewy obvs. Used all my run good 🙂 The AQ>A5 hand. I had a read on the dude that he was a fish. He had been using the chat box a fair bit and opening abit. I flat AQ to keep all his range in. OTF I feel like he has an Ace in his range a ton of the time, therefore i feel i can raise for value and he will call off. Also given my image, he may think im going crazy with KQ. Also wanted to play it a little bit differnet then i usually would to disguise the strength. Not too sure that really worked although i got him to tool off with A5 anyway.
Another thing that i seem to do is lose value by rasing/piling when i could just flat. I think im using the “shoving looks weaker” abit to often because im taking away options for them. For instance the K9 hand when i shove turn on a K turn.
Preflop with my 3 bet shoving stack i have been considering shoving abit wider and prefer to shove 109suited then A8 etc Im not sure if thats correct but i feel when im called im going to be dominated more often with A8 rather than 109. Also i understand that when im holding A8 i have an Ace blocker so it could be better to shove, but interested to know your thoughts on that?
A5 three barrell shove. I have a read on the guy that he likes to float. Made my decision easy to shove river.
AQ 4 bet shove. Yeah, kinda sucks. The dude had been tight which kinda made me think two things. The min raise looked weird but couldnt decide if it was weak or not as he had been 3xing. After listening and watching i should have thought it was stronger as again he was tight. I also thought because he was tight he may fold alot of his hands like 99-JJ AJ-AQ but again he probs 3bet shoves these and not min raises.
If you could link me to some videos you recommend for me to watch it would be great too.
June 3, 2012
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Oh also, it was the nightly 30k $55
October 6, 2010
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Sweet, glad you liked it. I enjoy doing it. And duggs would talk the leg off a chair if he could so I know he liked it too
July 11, 2012
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Great work…
I appreciate you putting your thoughts/voices out there to share, ballzy stuff.
23:15 (i think) hand 109.
Liverpool015 – You can/should open crazy wide, any paint and any two suited for sure.
Table image is that you have no bet/fold range, 12-25bb stacks won't be looking to 3b jam light on you.
Open here, if folded to I'd look to open wide the next 3-4 hands. Guys - This is an open. We appear to have no r/f range so the likelyhood of BB jam here is small. ATC here might even be justified. Team sexy is never shoving on us 50bbs effective. I wouldn't hesitate to click it back when he gets frisky in SB. Given our willingness to get stacks in with him via 3bet jam and bet/call, What's his perceived FE when we 4b? Great opportunity to take control and try to hulk smash this table.
July 11, 2012
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^^^ may bad on the font change .. copy/pasted from notepad earlier. meh
October 22, 2012
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just finished the first part, great stuff guys, good watch.
if you plan to do it again i would love to contribute a hh 🙂
October 22, 2012
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i have now watched the whole thing and i really liked it and i think your conclusions in the end are on point (15-25bb play, barrelling, turn decisions…)
i have to admit i havent made notes during i watched (cause i watched it while playin) but one thing that stuck is the under 30bb play:
i like it much more to just 3b shove with an under 30bb stack, cause if you put in a normal 3b with that sort of stack it gets much more difficult to play and some players tend to give away tells about their handstrength, for example only 3b with premiums and 3bshove with weaker hands or vicaversa
July 20, 2012
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Love the video guys and really decent analysis from you both. I made some comments, labelled them by video number and then time into that video.
Video 1
22:31 with A10o in bb, you say that if sb opens you flat. I think I just 3bet/call there, and if you don't think he is 4bet jamming worse than A10o then just 3bet jam. I'm not sure if you thought he was a super nit or something though.
25:00 with the JJ, I totally agree with flatting. Benny is saying that our hand is face up, which is kind of true if it's you, me, duncan… at the table. But that isn't the case. And I don't even care if they are regs, they still won't range us accurately. Also agree with you that I don't have a value 3bet spot there. It's a sick spot to 3bet light though.
28:00 defending K9o from bb. I am OK with defending but don't really like floating unless the plan is to take the pot away. Even so I think he c/c or c/r the turn a reasonable amount of the time, so it's not a great spot to float/steal either, esp as we can't really rep much on that board
Video 2
6:35 I don't like this open very much, I mean it's fine to steal from that spot but this hand plays so badly post flop that I would way prefer opening A8s or even 64s. I think there's a good argument to check down post flop, or call any jam from him (never folding)
8:30 why are we cbetting this (QQ on A high flop oop)? I def prefer a check. it is such thin value, pretty much only from FDs, and a lot of them raise us so we have to fold
13:30 I think 55 is a snap fold here
20:00 (JJ) I agree with all your comments here, 3bet pre, call flop, check turn, evaluate river
23:00 K9o in sb. I don't like this as a 3bet spot. I think you have to make it bigger than 7k to have much FE, it's too easy for him to flat that. So imo it needs to be more like 8500, which makes folding to a bb jam (rare I know) pretty gross. Plus there's no guarantee he's not 4bet jamming wide as a 3bet from blinds will always get less respect.
Video 3
1:00, most people just aren't jamming anything like as wide as you in that spot. I still think KQs is close but I would give him a tighter range without a read
2:40 I think this is really close. You have close to 0 FE and his range is likely reasonably strong there. I think you are dominated way more often than you dominate, and you race the rest of the time. Only reason to jam is if you think you somehow have FE against this guy. Maybe I'm wrong though, I didn't stove it, but I imagine you are behind his range there. OK I did now, we are 51% against this range: 22+,A6s+,KTs+,QJs,A9o+,KJo+, I think he's a lot narrower than that given that he's tight, ep and 3x'd.
6:00 (JJ) I think cbetting here is lazy. We have position and cbetting is just to make our hand easier to play, taking away decisions. But the decisions are where we make money against these guys. In this spot I don't think he's bluffing that board, even with K or J. The very worst he bets turn with is 10 J and even that is unlikely imo. There's not many FDs he can have that are losing to JJ even, so I would check back flop, fold turn. With nuts I would def cbet there because it's a board that just hits him so hard and it's not a board that he's going to bluff at much.
22:00 I would bet more like 25k to 28k turn to give us a better shove on river, and I don't see many hands that fold to 28k that call 21k, whereas he may well find a fold for pot on the river but call 3/4 pot.
A lot of this was response to the comments made by Benny and Tom rather than a direct review of your play Luke. But I think you played well, one area where our lines would differ a lot is post flop where I think you are barreling marginal value where it's hard to know if it's for value or as a bluff and I would check back a lot of those spots.
October 6, 2010
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thanks for the comments guys.
and yea badabing if you wanna send something through then by all means 😀
May 30, 2012
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thanks for the feedback everyone, unfortunately im in the middle of exams so i wont be able to go through them in depth for a few days, but i will go through them all when i get a chance
October 22, 2012
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bennymacca said:
and yea badabing if you wanna send something through then by all means 😀
great 
where should i send it?
October 6, 2010
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June 3, 2012
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Thanks for the comments!
October 21, 2012
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Here are a few spots where I had some thoughts about the first video. Please tell me where I am off base in my thinking.
Hand 1) 21:10 ATo in BB with 22bb. Why not 3bet jam an open from SB? I feel like that is standard.
Hand 2) 22:50 QJo in SB with 24bb. This is a +EV open shove so we can improve our equity above that by open folding if we think he is tight (we avoid the top of his range) or by open calling if we think he will 3bet jam light. I would assume he is never 3bet jamming light so I would open fold to a 3bet. After seeing him 3bet jam KQs, I would think there is a chance he could do it with KTs or QJs or small pairs. If this is the case, would we be giving up too much of our equity by raise folding vs him in the future? Especially since he may come after us for sucking out now. After seeing this hand, Im open shoving on him in the future because I dont think KQs will be the bottom of his 3bet jamming range going forward.
Hand 3) 27:20 K9o in BB with 32bb. I would 3bet here rather than flat because the hand doesnt play well post flop. I would flat K9s. I dont think you throw away your positional advantage by 3betting here because he will fold or call and you can cbet him. You can even barrel maybe since you can rep some over pairs that you cant rep if you just flat. If you think he is strong enough to 4bet jam you, then a flat here is probably not that great against his range and I would just fold pre flop.
Hand 4) 30:00 AQo in HJ with 42bb. He seems to be opening a lot. I would 3bet, but I like you idea of flatting and out playing him post flop better. Since most of our opponents play bad post flop, should we be looking to flat most of them in position when they 3x? I assume we have to 3bet if they bet smaller in order to isolate.
October 21, 2012
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Video 2
Hand 1) 21:30 I dont understand why you say people are not raise folding BVB. I see people raising 75%+ of their range in the SB. If you are that wide, you have to fold a lot when the BB 3bets you.
May 30, 2012
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going through feedback now, John agree with pretty much all of it
June 23, 2012
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nice reveiw guys, finally got round to watchng it 🙂
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