Hey guys,
thought id make a post for people to discuss the videos they would like to see, I like to play 5-25 dollar tournamnets on tilt and stars and would really apprechiate a video in this range. Some tournaments I often play on tilt are the, Midnight Madness 10+1, Daily Doubles A and B, and any 5 dollar rebuys I see also im sure everyone would like to see if the Sup Turb KO tournamnets as well even though they are a crap shoot to some degree, I think a solid mindset leaves you much better off in these.
Thanks guys
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the thing thats hard for lower buyins turbos ect to trully profite it takes a volume of games a few videos are a great idea but long term youll run across many of spots that are really just standard and you just fire up anther game. the thing to truly learn playing lower limits and just starting out is to stick within your bankroll and put in the volume and the money will come . so my point to all this is for you 2 see what it really takes to profite in low limit games you would have to see a volume of games ect , i personally play around 70 to 95 a day and often have days were i bust in many of these games. but when the volume is in at the end of the month im always in the poss. so i think if they were to do a video on low limits i personally would like to see like a multi tabling session say 12 tabling with a volume of around 50 games and see were the roi ends up just my thoughts , maybe multi table some low limit 180 mans ect. i believe this were the making of a multi player begins as your bankroll increases so do the limits but the volume and the varaince remain the same. i think teaching the newer players of the game how to start from ground zero into building a soild bankroll roll from these lower levels on up to the higher levels is the key to teaching a true full time player. anyone can run well in any given event and stack a roll but its important to understand the varaince and how to flow with the ups and downs . and to repeat this month after month to becoming a winning player long term not just a one hit wonder.
dbt said:
the thing thats hard for lower buyins turbos ect to trully profite it takes a volume of games a few videos are a great idea but long term youll run across many of spots that are really just standard and you just fire up anther game. the thing to truly learn playing lower limits and just starting out is to stick within your bankroll and put in the volume and the money will come . so my point to all this is for you 2 see what it really takes to profite in low limit games you would have to see a volume of games ect , i personally play around 70 to 95 a day and often have days were i bust in many of these games. but when the volume is in at the end of the month im always in the poss. so i think if they were to do a video on low limits i personally would like to see like a multi tabling session say 12 tabling with a volume of around 50 games and see were the roi ends up just my thoughts , maybe multi table some low limit 180 mans ect. i believe this were the making of a multi player begins as your bankroll increases so do the limits but the volume and the varaince remain the same. i think teaching the newer players of the game how to start from ground zero into building a soild bankroll roll from these lower levels on up to the higher levels is the key to teaching a true full time player. anyone can run well in any given event and stack a roll but its important to understand the varaince and how to flow with the ups and downs . and to repeat this month after month to becoming a winning player long term not just a one hit wonder.
This is all very true. However, I do know how about anyone else, but I cannot put in 70 to 95 a day. My schedule fluctuates like crazy. In the past 5 months I have been able to do about 10 a night and that is from Monday to Thursday. When my summer classes start back up, it can be more and it can be less just depending on the day. So the positive ends of volume I do not get to see in a shorter period of time like other players.
As for bankroll, you have to start somewhere and somewhere is the bottom. So you have to learn to do well at the bottom before you move up (logically). You have to bink a few good scores before you can possibly move to low to medium stakes. Once again though, I will play this card b/c I can, since I am in college I can throw money in this and not expect to break even or more b/c of that fact I am playing the micros. I am pretty good at managing my money, saving/hording my money, and making sure I get every penny for what I bought. Hell, I sold some shit so I can buy me a subscription here.
For me, when I say I want to see how the big guys play in lower stakes, I am saying this with the intent to see how they analyze the donk play. I want to see if they are like oh well if he is going to shove like that he can have it, or if they see a good spot they can chip up to stay healthy in a tourney I would like to see that as well b/c quite frankely it may be a spot I miss. My problem in the micro tourneys is finishing them. I have problems chipping up in the middle stages, so I want to see how the big guys react to it. I want to see if they get aggressive or they just wait for a hand. I just want to see how they react to it and see if I am doing something wrong. To be honest, I love the videos but some of the things that happen in the videos we do not experience as often and vice versa. For example, I remember this vividly in the blinds of 2k/4k you can easily have 3 limpers. Ppl that dont have a damn clue what to do, ppl limping with HUGE STACKS and ppl limping with 20BBs or less and when you have JJ+ you need to raise it and raise it BIG. So lets say I have 3 limpers in front, I have JJ in the CU, I raise it a full 6x. 3x more b/c of the limpers, well I get calls from each limper. It makes for a big ole pot but when the flop comes AQ3 with 2 clubs on board it makes it difficult to do anything on that board b/c in the micros the guys love the Ace and they love any 2 suited cards. So essentially I have to let it go. Now if I have 25BBs or less I just push all-in, sometimes if I have 30BBs or less I do this. The reason I do this is I pretty much know with that amount limpers, I am getting a few calls if I raise, and getting atleast 1 call if I shove. I want just want to see how the big guys react to it, b/c me personally I have to think about it and say do I want to let these guys play their shit hands on the flop? b/c essentially they will show up with straight garbage sometimes and you can abuse it yes but you always have to dodge it.
So far the game has been fun, it is fun to look forward to coming back home after working and playing a long MTT session, it is fun to get deep and get to a FT and hopefully win 1. It is fun chatting you guys about the game, it is fun watching the videos and see how these guys play, it gives you a sense of hope that you can have success as well. Overall, this is fun but winning some money in the process and keeping my head above water doesnt hurt either.
BBird40 said:
dbt said:
the thing thats hard for lower buyins turbos ect to trully profite it takes a volume of games a few videos are a great idea but long term youll run across many of spots that are really just standard and you just fire up anther game. the thing to truly learn playing lower limits and just starting out is to stick within your bankroll and put in the volume and the money will come . so my point to all this is for you 2 see what it really takes to profite in low limit games you would have to see a volume of games ect , i personally play around 70 to 95 a day and often have days were i bust in many of these games. but when the volume is in at the end of the month im always in the poss. so i think if they were to do a video on low limits i personally would like to see like a multi tabling session say 12 tabling with a volume of around 50 games and see were the roi ends up just my thoughts , maybe multi table some low limit 180 mans ect. i believe this were the making of a multi player begins as your bankroll increases so do the limits but the volume and the varaince remain the same. i think teaching the newer players of the game how to start from ground zero into building a soild bankroll roll from these lower levels on up to the higher levels is the key to teaching a true full time player. anyone can run well in any given event and stack a roll but its important to understand the varaince and how to flow with the ups and downs . and to repeat this month after month to becoming a winning player long term not just a one hit wonder.
This is all very true. However, I do know how about anyone else, but I cannot put in 70 to 95 a day. My schedule fluctuates like crazy. In the past 5 months I have been able to do about 10 a night and that is from Monday to Thursday. When my summer classes start back up, it can be more and it can be less just depending on the day. So the positive ends of volume I do not get to see in a shorter period of time like other players.
As for bankroll, you have to start somewhere and somewhere is the bottom. So you have to learn to do well at the bottom before you move up (logically). You have to bink a few good scores before you can possibly move to low to medium stakes. Once again though, I will play this card b/c I can, since I am in college I can throw money in this and not expect to break even or more b/c of that fact I am playing the micros. I am pretty good at managing my money, saving/hording my money, and making sure I get every penny for what I bought. Hell, I sold some shit so I can buy me a subscription here.
For me, when I say I want to see how the big guys play in lower stakes, I am saying this with the intent to see how they analyze the donk play. I want to see if they are like oh well if he is going to shove like that he can have it, or if they see a good spot they can chip up to stay healthy in a tourney I would like to see that as well b/c quite frankely it may be a spot I miss. My problem in the micro tourneys is finishing them. I have problems chipping up in the middle stages, so I want to see how the big guys react to it. I want to see if they get aggressive or they just wait for a hand. I just want to see how they react to it and see if I am doing something wrong. To be honest, I love the videos but some of the things that happen in the videos we do not experience as often and vice versa. For example, I remember this vividly in the blinds of 2k/4k you can easily have 3 limpers. Ppl that dont have a damn clue what to do, ppl limping with HUGE STACKS and ppl limping with 20BBs or less and when you have JJ+ you need to raise it and raise it BIG. So lets say I have 3 limpers in front, I have JJ in the CU, I raise it a full 6x. 3x more b/c of the limpers, well I get calls from each limper. It makes for a big ole pot but when the flop comes AQ3 with 2 clubs on board it makes it difficult to do anything on that board b/c in the micros the guys love the Ace and they love any 2 suited cards. So essentially I have to let it go. Now if I have 25BBs or less I just push all-in, sometimes if I have 30BBs or less I do this. The reason I do this is I pretty much know with that amount limpers, I am getting a few calls if I raise, and getting atleast 1 call if I shove. I want just want to see how the big guys react to it, b/c me personally I have to think about it and say do I want to let these guys play their shit hands on the flop? b/c essentially they will show up with straight garbage sometimes and you can abuse it yes but you always have to dodge it.
So far the game has been fun, it is fun to look forward to coming back home after working and playing a long MTT session, it is fun to get deep and get to a FT and hopefully win 1. It is fun chatting you guys about the game, it is fun watching the videos and see how these guys play, it gives you a sense of hope that you can have success as well. Overall, this is fun but winning some money in the process and keeping my head above water doesnt hurt either.
I agree with most of the points you have made here. I would really like to see how the pros handle the lower stake tournaments as the kind of play is totally different than what they are used to. I think with lower stake tournaments, luck is a bigger factor since its hard to really get people to fold. Last night I was playing the $28K guarantee and I saw one player try to bluff a calling station and that just doesn’t work. Eventually the calling station prevailed as his bottom/mid pairs would be good enough to call a bluff. That kind of play seems to happen a lot in the lower stake tournaments and its very hard to put people on hand ranges. All the videos I ‘ve seen at this site, the pros talk about hand ranges that they put their opponents on but I believe that once you get to the lower stake tournaments, the hand ranges get very wide that its very hard to interpret. Normally my success in the lower stake tournaments($10-$26) tournaments, I find that you have to be very careful to pick your spots and if not just wait for the solid cards to come by and take full advantage of them.
As for bankroll building, I’ve usually just made a deposit of $100 play tournaments in the range of $3-10 and once I make a big score I move up. I try to stay away from higher stake tournaments because the theory I have is, if i cannot consistently win the lower stake tournaments or make FT’s, then why should I bother going up a stake. So what ends up happening is that once I hit say $1000 score I usually take out half and work away again. Its been working for me but I’ll need to hit consecutive scores to play higher stakes.
Joining this site has really helped my game and I think I would like to try getting up to the higher stake tournaments. Last night’s FT helped my BR somewhat but a win would have really done wonders.
Practice makes perfect and I would really love to see how the pros handle the lower stake tournaments that a majority of the members here play in
As a cashgame player occassionally playing $20-100 tournies I’d like to see a lot of mid/endgame videos and bubble play. I think I’m struggling most with 10-30bb stacks and how to play with them.
It would be also good to see more multitabling live sessions, fullring is so slow-paced that I think 4-6 tables would still leave enough time for live commentary without losing any educational value.
Hey Guys,
First a congrats to Obi Wan BigDog for taking down the 100r on Tilt yesterday.
I would like to see more videos of tourney’s from start to finish (a win or a deep run, doesn’t matter). My reason is to see everything the entire time. I realize most of you great players are playing 8 or more mtt’s at once. It’s ok to watch it when you’re recording a few at a times, but I’d rather see something else. Is there a way you can go back of a deep run or win and get your hand history, put it into some sort of replayer and talk to us about the entire thing. I’m not talking about every hand, but most of the winning ones and some of your tough beats. Again, this is about teaching and getting a true understanding why you do/did at times is what I’m truely looking for. When you recording live, you don’t have time to talk about different thoughts you had at times and after you had a time to monday morning QB a hand, maybe you would have done different. I hope that makes sense.
Pierre
PS- Obi Wan BigDog (POY) =Player of Year Thanks to Casey, TK & You TPE guys my game is getting much better. Thanks
just read this thread…there are some nuggets of gold in here!!!
i think sometime soon i’m going to just fire up a session where i play nothing over 25$ and record it from start to finish and just see what happens.
dbt you make some really great points, and one of the best videos i ever saw was one of ryan daut 20-tabling 200NL. if the video is more a “how to 20-table” video than a “heres how to play poker” video then i completely agree with you. mass-tabling is a skill. although i think the best way to get good is to play a lot, add tables gradually, and as you are doing both of those be working your ass off away from teh table–reading, posting, watching videos, talking strat with friends, etc, etc.
thanks again, guys, and keep the suggestions coming.
StudentVisa said:
Would love to see a video on how to use hud stats in your decison making during hands. Also how to set up the hud and what stats u should use. Maybe a 2 or 3 part series or something.
Hi, you might be interested in this video:
–RFB
Would love to see a video where the HUD is the primary focus. My thought was for the pro to play a couple of lower buy in tournaments (no more than two, to allow time to talk over a hand) where he does not know the players and primarily uses HUD stats to make his plays. I know there is much more to the game then just reading HUD stats but I think this would be a good primer on ways to actually use them and how they combine with our visual reads as the tournament progresses. It would be nice also to have a graphic at the start showing what stats are being used, how they help and their layout on your HUD.
billbam said:
Would love to see a video where the HUD is the primary focus. My thought was for the pro to play a couple of lower buy in tournaments (no more than two, to allow time to talk over a hand) where he does not know the players and primarily uses HUD stats to make his plays. I know there is much more to the game then just reading HUD stats but I think this would be a good primer on ways to actually use them and how they combine with our visual reads as the tournament progresses. It would be nice also to have a graphic at the start showing what stats are being used, how they help and their layout on your HUD.
Would love to see this aswell.
StudentVisa said:
Not sure if any one else has already mentioned this but would like to see a video strictly on bet sizing.
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