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Hello,
I am interested to see all coaches names on each site they mainly play on and what their sharkscope stats are.
Honestly, I think some of the coaches are making mistakes and/or making videos in which they are not a significant winner (the satellite grinding video I'm not sure cougars is a winning player in FullTilt satellites) .
| ToeJam4444 | 741 | -$1 | $23 | 10% | -$702 | PLLLLWPL | N/A | FullTilt | Sat. Only |
| ToeJam4444 | 3,436 | -$6 | $33 | -4% | -$20,804 | PLLLLPLP | 66 | FullTilt |
Some of the coaches block their sharkscope (bigdog on stars) or don't tell us what their online name is for certain sites (ttwist on fulltilt?).
Please don't take this the wrong way, I am not posting to be a ****. I'm just curious on the justification for posting videos from a losing player. I know overall cougars is a winner online, but I don't like the idea of showing videos from a player who is not beating the game they are showing in the videos.
Thanks,
Adam
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March 17, 2010
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I appreciate your concern but cougars is up ~70k on stars according to OPR, ~20k of that being from sats. I do think it's important to be beating the games, which he is but it's a combination of success + ability to teach which I think he's excellent at.
October 6, 2010
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pretty sure ANY of these players could play any tourneys at any stakes and be good enough to adapt and be better than most us within an hour.
RonFezBuddy said:
I appreciate your concern but cougars is up ~70k on stars according to OPR, ~20k of that being from sats. I do think it's important to be beating the games, which he is but it's a combination of success + ability to teach which I think he's excellent at.
Ok, well I said I'm not sure he's a winner in FT sats. Stars/Tilt are different as far as I'm concerned. Also, he just won a PCA sat (or similar) for 15k and would have been breakeven/losing up until then. That's great that he won that and I wish him luck. But I'm curious as to the logic of learning from a player who hasn't really proven to be a winner in satellites over a significant sample.
I'd also like to know the screennames for other coaches for example ttwists 2.20 vid I thought he played really badly… I posted comments on the final table vid. Seriously I wasn't sure if the whole video was a level or not there were so many bizarrely played hands. He's up on stars but really only from 1 tourney, otherwise he'd be down a lot.
btw I am happy with the site and I like what you guys are doing. I'm happy with 99% of the vids and info I have gone over. I just wanted to know more about the coaches and their credentials, which I don't think is asking too much….
July 3, 2010
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Wow – the comments left in the the video section are totally out of line.
I'm pretty sure you aren't going to get good answers when you start attacking people about their play.
nuklearwintr said:
btw I am happy with the site and I like what you guys are doing. I'm happy with 99% of the vids and info I have gone over. I just wanted to know more about the coaches and their credentials, which I don't think is asking too much….
IMO, you can gain valuable insight from any capable player it doesn't matter if they've won 1 million or 20k and it doesn't matter which site they won it on.
As FkCoolers said, you seem to be adversarial in your video comments and such, which is not going to go over well when trying to get good advice to improve your game.
sorry I was tilted and I couldn't edit the comments otherwise I would have in hindsight.
nonetheless, I still think there were so many badly played hands in that video that either it shouldnt have been posted, or the author should have gone over all their mistakes so others could learn. I think it's poor form to post a video with so many blatantly bad hands and not comment on why they are bad and how they should have been played.
I really don't think anyone can argue that open folding QJo on the button 3 handed is a huge error. Same with the “I'm getting 2 to 1 so I call here with 10-6o”. Those two mistakes are just bafflingly bad. Yet, there was no mention of them by the author after the video.
swet1 said:
IMO, you can gain valuable insight from any capable player it doesn't matter if they've won 1 million or 20k and it doesn't matter which site they won it on.
I agree, but it's hard to trust a person's thought process when they are making fundemental, critical errors in their videos. Yes, ttwist won the $2 tourney, but he showed me that he either wasn't all there in that game, or he doesn't understand math as well as he thinks he does. And I can't trust a persons judgement if they are making fundemental mistakes.
Would you want to learn calculus from a college math professor if in his first lecture he made 10 simiple mathematical errors? Maybe a bad analogy, but that's how I felt watching this video.
Sorry for being harsh / blunt but that's how I am.
nuke….not for better or worse but it's not like he won a $2 6 man sit n go……how many times have you navigated a 4000+ man tour at any buy in level? not saying he played them all correct but nobody ever does…..he had to be doing something right he won the stinking tour…….I have been playing long enough to know that you CAN'T get that lucky…….also I, when analyzing the video's, I have questions about certain plays but the difference is that I signed up to learn from them ( the pros ) and watch with an open mind regardless of the play…….and by the way I GUARANTEE that twist' overall thought process is far deeper than just making a marginal call or raise……to be perfectly blunt , I am sure any pro on this site would outplay almost all of us in the long run…..gl
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March 17, 2010
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I'm not sure if twist has seen these comments yet but I am sure he will address them when he does. I'll let him discuss the hands but even if he agrees he made mistakes, people make mistakes in poker, even the pros. They even make fundamental mistakes like math mistakes at the end of long sessions or judgement mistakes short handed.
Ttwist has a winning record, a ton of great feedback from the members and he's one of the hardest working pros on the site. It would be silly to discount him as a professional and an educator because he made a mistake during the course of action. Everyone has done it several times and will happen again unfortunately.
No one here has a problem with you pointing out the mistakes. In fact, we all think it's important that we surface some mistakes in the video so we can discuss them and make sure bad habits don't get passed on. There are a lot of questions in the video comments regarding the ways pros played hands.
However, your tone and manner really leave a lot to be desired are not in the spirit of this community. It's one thing to start a conversation about a hand where you think the pro made a clear mistake, it's another to berate and belittle him. Then, you go and start a thread calling Cougars out using selected data that was misleading and did not tell the whole story (I.E. leaving out his overwhelmingly positive results on Stars).
We've never edited video or forum posts because a member disagreed with a pro. However, I was borderline on deleting yours because of the tone you took. I let it stand even with the attack on cougars that followed it. I know at this point you are more on the defense but if we can't have a rational discourse on hands that are disagreeable we won't have a discourse at all.
July 3, 2010
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Yeah, people will miss opens for sure … a few good vids to watch are replayer vids involving HitThePanda or Wein because they call themselves out on missing an open or missing a c-bet etc.
The live sweat videos will have “mistakes” just because I don't know of any player who plays all hands perfectly be it Gettin Daize, gboro780, bigdogpckt5s, etc. etc. etc. And obv. the player doesn't realize it can be a missed spot or a bad bet at the time or else they wouldn't do it.
That 100,000 bet by ttwist was 100% a misclick and was supposed to be a milly. I know that's half the reason a lot of players make odd sized bet amounts as stack sizes become larger.
In the future I'd recommend sending the boys a PM first – I've sent one to half the pros here about various stuff and they're all great about getting back to you quickly. That way no one will misconstrue tone or intent in a public forum because that usually leads to unnecessary bickering etc.
i mean to be completely honest, nuk, you make some really good points, but you unfortunately come off as an asshole in how you make them so a lot of people just aren't going to hear you.
watching videos has always been one of my favorite ways of learning and working away from the tables. i have a subscription to three different sites and have watched countless videos over the last ~3 years. i couldn't agree with you more that it is nice when an instructor recognizes a mistake in a video and explains it. that's the type of video making we strive for here, however it's something that can't always be atained.
speaking as a customer of other training sites, i suggest you keep watching and find the instructors and videos that work well for you. any site that has as much content as we do is going to have videos that you don't find useful. we try and provide something for every level of player, and in doing so there will always be people who think certain videos are below them or maybe over their heads.
if you do feel that a video falls short or is downright bad, by all means let us know. we have largely built this site upon the input of our subscribers, and will continue to take all the feedback we recieve very seriously. but when commenting, take a minute to think about how your input will be recieved. you seem to be smart and are probably a decent grinder, so i'd hate for you valuable input to be disregarded because in giving it you need to put other people down.
just my thoughts. thanks for speaking up and gl.
Coming from a subscriber the best part of this site that I've enjoyed up until this point is the lake of negative jerky people. 2+2 if full of people like that and it's why I never post there anymore.
There are so many ****'s playing poker. Let's attempt to make TPE a nice place to come to where you never feel nervous to post a hand or discuss a matter in a civilized respectful manner!
I totally agree Brentd22. The atmosphere here is great and I would like it to stay that way. Some has to do with the fact that I am fairly new to the game and will be asking very elementary questions to many and the other is that the negative bash posts and comments are like driving by a car wreck…. You don't like what you are seeing but your eyes are fixated on it. My time is much better spent reading positive informative posts and watching the videos to improve my game.
IMO if someone wants to question someone's credibility of being a coach, being a pro whatever, a private message sent to the owners of the site or to the player himself would be a more civilized option.
as a side note about Cougars recent bad beat $160k win… Perhaps a little good karma went Cougars way for taking the high road.
I think its kind of a valid concern. However I dont even no how my stats got blocked on sharkscope ill try to unblock them. Ttwist name is tkrocket on full tilt that that was well known. I think all our mtt stats are obviously out there on the pokerdb. Since this site is dedicated to mtts. That is paramount. Ill get my sharkscope unblocked tho.
I understand where op is coming from. When you get to a certain level of skill in this game you become much more critical of peoples play and you will notice mistakes. Nobody plays perfect. Some of us play less perfectly than others though 😉 The main thing I got from watching tourney videos here is that there are many ways to skin a cat. Like in the vid you mention, you say the pro made mistakes, but he still gets the job done in his own way.
I was critical of a hitthepanda video a while back. I don't think I watched a video of his after that. I was fortunate enough to play with him at EPT London and without doubt he is a much better tournament poker player than me. When I came back I watched a few more of his videos and they helped plugged a couple of leaks. So moral of that story… maybe you don't agree with some stuff, look for the stuff that resonates with you, think about why the pro did what he did then ignore it if you still think it is bad.
My 2c
Chris
Hey guys sorry for being an ass. I was very tilted for some reason, and took a week vacation to California w/ my gf to cool off. I definitely realize my posts were very dickish and out of line.
I agree with pretty much everything everybody has said in response. I'll try to be more constructive and positive in the future, it's definitely something that I've had problems with my whole life that I'm continually working on.
Adam
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