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October 21, 2012
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I just read this article. …..es-in-2013
Today, I received a cashout from Carbon that took 2 months. I depleted the roll I had left on there and was going to put a little of this check back on, but then I thought to see if any other site could pay me faster. After reading this article, I want to try BetOnline, Bovada, or AmericasCardRoom. I just dont know which one to choose for MTTs.
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April 6, 2010
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Ive heard decent things about Americas Card Room..but cannot personally speak to it as I do not play there.
October 21, 2012
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I cant figure out why so many people play on Merge and Lock when they are the worst when it comes to payouts. I am worried Lock is about to go down soon since I hear they are even having trouble paying non-US players in a timely fashion.
I think I am going to deposit on ACR when my Carbon check clears.
February 20, 2013
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loxxii said:
I just read this article. …..es-in-2013
Today, I received a cashout from Carbon that took 2 months. I depleted the roll I had left on there and was going to put a little of this check back on, but then I thought to see if any other site could pay me faster. After reading this article, I want to try BetOnline, Bovada, or AmericasCardRoom. I just dont know which one to choose for MTTs.
no matter where you go its gonna suck, ive been waiting on 40k off of a merge skin since november
TPE Management
April 6, 2010
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yeah, that is the thing. it basically sucks everywhere…so you just do the best you can with what you got. and for me right now that is Lock. Come on regulation one time!
October 21, 2012
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So does that mean that all of this is just a lie? I am so confused.
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TPE Management
April 6, 2010
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no i have no doubt those rooms are the best for cashouts…but if you are in a situation where all your money is on Merge or Lock, or you are backed on one or both of those sites, then you just kind of have to play there.
Also, as long as you dont mind paying a vig you can pretty much “cash out” anywhere instantly.
July 3, 2010
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The vig on Lock is insane, fyi… it's typically .7 unless you move large amounts of money. Usually moving anything $5,000 and up will get you more like .80 for bank wire, but it's still tough finding people in the high stakes 2+2 forums willing to do it.
October 21, 2012
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I am going to try BCP because I hear they have good customer support. I may try all 3 just to see which one I like. Regardless, the thought of having a “poker card” like back in the neteller days is just too good to pass up.
I understand the backing issue. That seems out of your hands. But if I had all my money on another site, I would just cashout and play on the fairer sites. Not only does .7 vig seems very high vs the $3 on debit card, but Carbon killed transfers so even the vig is not an option.
There has to be some other reason WPN is not dominating the US market. I guess I will find out the catch soon.
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Americas Cardroom, Black Chip Poker and True Poker, all members of the Winning Poker Network, top our survey of US facing online poker rooms this month. This has been a common placement for the network. This is mostly due to the fact that they still offer the extremely popular debit card option. Players may request a debit card that works like an ATM card. The card arrives in 2-3 weeks. Cashouts arrive to the card in 1-3 days once the player has the card in hand. The fees are reasonable considering the speed of cashouts. Players pay $25 to receive the card and $4.95 a month to maintain the card. Withdrawals are $3 plus whatever the ATM charges. The maximum withdrawal by debit card is $2500. Plus they still offer rakeback at 27% or 35% if you were grandfathered in from Merge. |
July 3, 2010
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It's because, for the most part, the WPN MTT schedule is pretty horrible.
And apparently every cash table is a bad bead jackpot table which = higher rake rates
So basically horrid management is the reason why.
October 21, 2012
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I think what I am going to do is play across 3 networks that all pay way faster than Carbon in order to make up for the volume issue. Unfortunately, it seems like every site in the US has bad management.
January 15, 2013
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Loxii, I would stay away from BetOnline given what has been posted on 2+2 about it; they've shifted from network to network, never a good sign.
I've cashed out many many times on Bovada, all checks delivered within 1 1/2-3 weeks and only a problem wiht one check that was resolved and quickly reissued. Also, if you are fortunate enough to cashout out for more than the monthly max, you can still make the withdrawal in one sum and they will break it up in to smaller checks that will arrive each week after the initial check.
Have heard good things about ACR/BCP/True (Winning Network), but my initial cashout attempt with them from the OSS series has taken over a month now, with a check issued/cancelled and my now attempting the debit card option. Don't think they are shady (rest of world players are being paid within 3 days) but I think they are having problems with their newfound volume from the OSS and MOSS series. I think that my first Merge cashout from Maximus might actually arrive more quickly when all is said and done (supposedly their timeframes have been improving of late to 6-8 weeks). Having said this, if ACR can really deliver on the 1-3 day cashout when I actuall receive the debit card, that will be by far the fastest option
October 21, 2012
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I am going to do ACR (debit card option), Intertops, and Bovada. Together that should be enough volume to makeup for leaving Merge. I only need 300 games a month so it should be doable.
As far as moving big sums, I believe with the card you can take out like 3K every day from the ATM for $4 each time. Sick.
I am even considering SWC and the whole bitcoins thing. I may just throw a hundred bucks on there just because it sounds cool.
January 15, 2013
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Sounds like a plan! You might not want to abandon Merg entirely since it is the largest network; I am accounting for the delay factor in my w/d's from there to fit in with the rest of my cash flow.
October 21, 2012
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Im too afraid that the FBI could clamp down on the US sites again. I lost a good chunk to FT so I want to cash out as soon as I get a good score. At most, im only willing to lose a couple hundred on each site.
June 29, 2012
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we all know the risks with US sites. but right now im leaning toward ACR. easy deposits and semi easy cashouts. plus the fields seem really soft unless ur playin against (mikewebb68) lol just kidding. he killed the OSS. ACR is the only US site i can give a thumbs up too. wish i could do it for Lock too cause i love the site but havent been happy with customer service from them. hope this helps GL in the future.
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June 14, 2012
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The debit card on BCP (ACR) is the way to go. The biggest reason they don't get more respect is their software. It is simply horrible. It looks like it was released in 1995. (Their structures are also pretty brutal. Most of their tournaments skip the bb500 level.)
Lock is garbage. Stay away.
Betonline is not a viable option for MTTs. They have a very sparse schedule, their prize structures are INSANELY top-heavy (this isn't a terrible thing necessarily, but still worth noting), and they have yet to discover the concept of antes. Seriously — their tournaments do not have antes at any stage. For cash games, OTOH, this site is incredibly juicy. Their 5/10 (yes, that's 1k NL) 6 max is like playing against fourth graders. Just be careful about timing out in the middle of a hand. If someone checks to you on the flop or turn and you take too long to act, you don't check behind — your hand goes into the muck and you lose the pot.
(There are other options for US players, which involve connecting through a VPN. Not sure if I'm supposed to talk about that here, but whatever. Do some digging and you'll find something better than any of these shit sites.)
January 15, 2013
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Rivermen123, great playing with you on ACR (I am cantbeatyou68). Amazing that you and I, or RFB and one of us, haven't made a final table together! Agreed with all of your comments, but don't the deep stacks on ACR make up for the missed blind level? Maybe I am halluinating, but I feel as if I am far deeper at a FT on ACR than, say Merge or Bovada.
May 20, 2013
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ok, setting up an ACR acct… I am tired of 100 person fields on LOCK
August 30, 2012
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Do you guys still play on Merge still? There isn't much action going on ACR.
June 18, 2013
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Guys, i found a nice quick way for US players to deposit and withdraw quickly. It is rather new but the software seems solid. It is low traffic BUT the thing they do is accept bitcoin. I am a bitcoin connisuer and can assist anyone that has questions on it. With bitcoin and poker and US players, I can show you how to deposit on some sites with bitcoin, turn it around and withdraw it and it is easy. Just hit me up.
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June 1, 2012
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Finally got my cashout from Lock into my Skrill(money bookers) account.
Took over 6 weeks and I’m in Aus. From what I hear that’s not too bad so just glad I actually got it!
July 12, 2012
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I've been waiting since the end of February for a withdrawal from LOCK. it is so frustrating because all they'll say is “we appreciate your patience and it's coming soon”. Anyone have any experience with transferring between players. I'd really like to find an easier way to get my $$.
"…if he fails, he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."-Teddy Roosevelt
January 15, 2013
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FishPoorBoy said:
Do you guys still play on Merge still? There isn’t much action going on ACR.
I've been playing on Merge a little via PokerHost, which supposedly has fasher cashouts since it has its own cashier. I am new to it and have not actually withdrawn myself yet, though.
ACR did add a 15K on Wednesdays, but I do agree that the pickings are small. I generally only play the daily 10Ks, the Sat night 10K, the Sunday 3.5K $5 tourney, and the 50K when I satty in. Also play the 2K (sometimes 3.5k) rebuys since the guarantees there are almost always exceeded and most of the people have no clue as to how to play a rebuy. Despite my light schedule here, been cashing out fairly regularly since the player pool (save for some of the TPE nation and other regs) is as dreadful as Bovada. All of my debit card cashouts have arrived no more than 3 calendar days from request, and often in 1-2 days. Even tried one July 4th week that I thought might be a problem, was timely as ever.
Speakling of Bovada, cashout times have supposedly improved from their previously stellar pefromance, with some checks reported arriving in as little as 4 calendar days (basically the time it takes to mail it). And they have increased a lot of their guarantees, though I wish that they would increase their 100K as Merge did.
January 8, 2014
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I definitely need to jump in on as an advocate of Seals with Clubs poker. Players are from everywhere, including the US. Cashouts are within 1 day (usually only a few hours). More cash than tournies, but the structures are great. There are buyins ranging up to the Big BTC which shoots off every Sunday afternoon for a 0.5 BTC buyin (~400 USDs at the moment). You can grind up Bitcoins while watching them increase in value at the same time. I am a shill for Seals and a Bitcoin bull.
Please put username NLFF in the recommended by when you signup or click on a link on …..otball.com and I will ship you 10 Seals chips for free (1000 Seals chips = 1 BTC so that's like $8). Just click contact me on the website and let me know your username and boom. You can try it out then and will qualify for the freerolls. If you want to deposit more, I can help you get setup with the best methods to acquire Bitcoins or just sell you some myself.
I am happy to answer any questions on Bitcoins or anything about SwC. For the record, Bryan Micon (who is the lead pro and marketing manager on SwC) is one of my best friends on this planet so rest assured that I am giving you the scoop straight from the horses mouth and not just speculation.
June 18, 2013
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NLFF I drank the bitcoin koolaid like back in 2009 and play on Seals and founded grindabit.com. i moved over to black chip poker for tourney games for the ones at Seals are mostly turbo games and timing of the games are abit off on my lifestyle at this time. I still am very involved with bitcoin and hopefully in the future a new site will pop up bitcoin wise that I will be involved with.
The Seals games are super soft and the tourney grinders getting their feet wet should pop in there. I may pop in there from time to time and maybe post up some Seals videos that would be cool. It is like an underground $$ pool there. I love the staking site there too. I would love to see some of the pros just try out the site and hit the BigBTC there on Sunday and video that. It's cray!!!
January 8, 2014
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That is fantastic weeeee! I love hearing about people jumping in on Seals and especially from other Bitcoin bulls. Also a fan of grindabit.com (nice work there!). You just gave me a semi thinking about the TPE pros attacking the Big BTC some Sunday and making a video. I'd be sure to fire that week in it.
If there was some great interest to have a certain structure or time slot, I'm sure it could be incorporated. Feel free to shoot me some ideas. SwC is very player focused.
There are a couple strong players on Seals, but I definitely agree that the pokerworld hasn't invaded it and games are very soft overall.
January 8, 2014
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As you mentioned, the partner site …..deals.info is a great way to sell and buy shares and it is very automated. Supercool staking system that no one has anything quite like. Prolly should move this to a separate Seals with Clubs thread.
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