August 4, 2013
Starting a Carlos-inspired thread to keep me focused on the struggle ahead. I am giving up my 61K/year job with generous benefits to move across the country and the plan is, at least as long it is financially doable, to grind out a life as a poker pro. Basically, I need to make nearly double what I was making as a mail carrier to not fall behind (if, being overly optimistic here, I want to make retirement investments, have good insurance, etc). 8-9K a month playing poker….ummmm? ridiculous? Right now I'm on a heater and feeling confident. This week I've had my two biggest online scores this year for $8986 and $9374 and last week I had a sick run playing cash at the Borgata where I had a five figure profit(brag!) over 4 days. I am properly bankrolled for 2/5 and I will not be under immediate pressure to show a robust profit but I am mentally prepared to waive the white flag and begin a job search if I am not showing a good hourly. I actually posted on twoplustwo my “rules” for being a pro, a gameplan that hopefully if I follow with complete devotion will make survival as a poker pro plausible…
1) Play mostly cash. This one is pretty obvious with the great variance of tourneys. I will have a card room about 10 minutes away from where I will be living in North County SanDiego. I have much more fun playing tourneys and have a good ROI but if I am going to make 8K a month (by my calculations, what I would be making as a mailman with health insurance, 401K, etc) it just can't be done by traveling to tournaments. I plan on having a separate tourney bankroll for when I want to take my shots but this will be small and I am going to look into backing for when I do this.
2) Study. 10 hours of working at the game each week whether it be through watching training videos, reading books, or discussing hands with fellow players.
3) Grind hard. This should be an easy one to follow, I love the game right now and it never feels like work but, especially if I find a soft game, I shouldn't be satisfied with just making enough $ to scrape on by but should be putting in at least 40 hours a week
4) Make constant, tough-minded assessments of my emotional and mental health. This means not just knowing when I am tilted and need to walk away from a game but when I am not fulfilling my duties as friend, son, and most importantly as a father.
5) Be willing to drop to lower stakes. Can't let my recent success at 5/10 delude me…2/5 is where I belong. I am proud of the fact that at my Borgata heater I twice left 5/10 to return to 2/5 when I got up to $5,000…and then ran it up again at 2/5 (the run good was pretty ridiculous). My intention is to only play 5/10 after 3 straight winning sessions at 2/5 and then if I make some good money at that game use it to take some time off or invest in my retirement (I'm 43) and be satisfied being a $50/hour guy(hopefully!) at lower stakes.
6) Never have less than $20,000 in the bank. This is the arbitrary number I have come up with for when it is time to find a second source of income. I have a lot of restaurant experience and if I have to wait tables 4 nights a week while grinding less then I will do that. I'm a working class guy and am not lazy and while it would kill me to have to reenter the “real world” I will do it when I have less than 6 months of rent, child support, etc in the bank.
Very curious if people can think of a few more rules I should integrate into my plan. Poker pros feel welcome to quash my optimism!:) Will try to get on this thread at least once a week to offer a progress report and give the news
Hey man, good post. Always interesting to read these stories. May I ask how old you are? You said you have child support? Are you recently divorced and now have the freedom to follow your dream :)? Just curious, feel free not to answer that if you don't want.
I like your enthusiasm and your rules. What is your poker background? You been grinding cash for a while? Have you had live tournament success? You play tourneys on all the U.S. sites? Are you going to be living with a poker buddy or solo?
Sorry for all the questions. It sounds like you have thought this through really well. I am definitely rooting for you as it has always been my dream but doubt I ever get there. I am pretty happy being a heavy recreational player. I think if you have a good hourly at 2/5 over a really good sample size, that it is definitely doable. However, I do think 8-9k a month will be difficult to achieve at that level. Best of luck!!! Look forward for the updates.
August 4, 2013
hawkeyeK9 said:
Hey man, good post. Always interesting to read these stories. May I ask how old you are? You said you have child support? Are you recently divorced and now have the freedom to follow your dream :)? Just curious, feel free not to answer that if you don't want.
I like your enthusiasm and your rules. What is your poker background? You been grinding cash for a while? Have you had live tournament success? You play tourneys on all the U.S. sites? Are you going to be living with a poker buddy or solo?
Sorry for all the questions. It sounds like you have thought this through really well. I am definitely rooting for you as it has always been my dream but doubt I ever get there. I am pretty happy being a heavy recreational player. I think if you have a good hourly at 2/5 over a really good sample size, that it is definitely doable. However, I do think 8-9k a month will be difficult to achieve at that level. Best of luck!!! Look forward for the updates.
maybe it's poor taste to redirect you to my blog but i actually wrote about my considering this matter a while back
August 4, 2013
hawkeyeK9 said:
Hey man, good post. Always interesting to read these stories. May I ask how old you are? You said you have child support? Are you recently divorced and now have the freedom to follow your dream :)? Just curious, feel free not to answer that if you don't want.
I like your enthusiasm and your rules. What is your poker background? You been grinding cash for a while? Have you had live tournament success? You play tourneys on all the U.S. sites? Are you going to be living with a poker buddy or solo?
Sorry for all the questions. It sounds like you have thought this through really well. I am definitely rooting for you as it has always been my dream but doubt I ever get there. I am pretty happy being a heavy recreational player. I think if you have a good hourly at 2/5 over a really good sample size, that it is definitely doable. However, I do think 8-9k a month will be difficult to achieve at that level. Best of luck!!! Look forward for the updates.
frankly i don't have a big enough sample size to know what my hourly cash game rate is. i know if i want to embrace the dark reality of wage slavery I could make $20/hour and work 60+hours a week grinding MTTs on the american friendly sites and manage to pay the bills(well, the important ones). i could be giving myself too much credit in thinking i will be a consistent winner at 2/5 cash. appreciate the well wishes, thx!
August 4, 2013
first session as a pro a winning one! naturally i sit down at 5/5 and Gavin Griffin …..=25988 is two to my left….nobody said poker was supposed to be easy. My sense is that there will be solid pros at this game every day but I can still make a good hourly…especially if i am willing to grind the late hours.
August 4, 2013
rough start as a cash game pro. down $2500 after 55 hours at 5/5. too damn aggressive, bluffing the pros too often, failing to leave the table early enough….just had session where I bought in for $1300 and ran it up to $6200 after about 6 hours but then lost $2200 pot when I got it in with the nuts but the guy rivered a boat and beat my straight. this is the moment I should have left but I played for 17 hours and cashed out for only $2400. still confident in my game. i'm still watching videos, taking notes after my sessions, and feel myself getting in a pro mindset. i hope my next update will be me bragging about improved results
August 4, 2013
ugh. just lost $4500 in 22 hour marathon session at 5/5 that ended in a comical farce of what it can be like playing against recreational players. i have about $2600 in my stack and i've been grinding hard hoping to get one big hand and get unstuck and finally i get it:
a woman opens utg to $25 and the button and small blind both call and i also call from the bb with 8h8d. the flop is Js8c3s. the small blind checks, i check, and the original raiser makes it $80. The button calls, the small blind folds, and I pop it to $280. the clearly anxious utg player thinks for a minute before calling and the button player, our villain, quickly calls. the turn is the 2c. now, i realize because i am such a heavy favorite against a flush draw mathematically it is profitable to keep them in here at a steep price and not just to shove and get the draw out. i think it is less because i am a tournament player and more becasue my session has been brutal with every draw getting there (including having kings cracked when i got them in good against flush draw in $2200 pot) that i just decide to go all in. the utg raiser takes a good minute before folding (likely an overpair) and then the action goes to our villain….
this guy is a fifty something year old man who is hyper intense and has had the clenched jaw and wild eyes whenever he has had some money in the pot….a gambler to the core. he has been on his phone on and off for six hours, with the dealer and the players constantly alerting him when the action has been on him. i joked with him that he can't enjoy a day off because there is always work to do and the people at the office are bugging him but he says he has been talking mostly to people about who he should bet on this weekend.
with the action on him the guy looks at me like i've just propositioned his wife, angry that he has been put to this decision. he begins muttering to himself..”if a spade comes i could never live with myself”, “i guess i have to fold but…”…i, with a sense of impending doom, decide to chime in “yes, you have to fold”. he's stressed as hell and hating the situation and says “i think you are bluffing me” and i say “you can't beat a bluff now”. “maybe you have a worse flush draw” he says. the man has around $1200 left in his stack and he would be calling to win a pot of $2140. he is utterly flustered, looking at the other players for answers, i decide i will help him with his decision, turn my cards faceup and let him know he is up against a set. he nods, doesnt muck his cards. his eyes study the chips in the pot, the chips in front of him. several people begin to stand around the table including floor staff. he tanks for a good 40 seconds after i show him my hand. i decide to break it down for him: “well, mathematically you are supposed to fold but if you want to gamble then you could roll the dice here”. he nods, appreciating my breaking it down for him lol. there are now like 20 people watching this hand. “i call” the villain says, happy that he has made a decision and reached a place of don't give a shit bliss. the river is the nine of hearts and i think i have just scooped a $3300 pot. “straight” he says and turns over the Qs10s. i quickly rack my last chips with the guy repeatedly saying “i'm sorry, i'm sorry”. #variance
December 2, 2014
Hey man, good post. Always interesting to read these stories. May I ask how old you are? You said you have child support? Are you recently divorced and now have the freedom to follow your dream :)? Just curious, feel free not to answer that if you don’t want.
I like your enthusiasm and your rules. What is your poker background? You been grinding cash for a while? Have you had live tournament success? You play tourneys on all the U.S. sites? Are you going to be living with a poker buddy or solo?
Sorry for all the questions. It sounds like you have thought this through really well. I am definitely rooting for you as it has always been my dream but doubt I ever get there. I am pretty happy being a heavy recreational player. I think if you have a good hourly at 2/5 over a really good sample size, that it is definitely doable. However, I do think 8-9k a month will be difficult to achieve at that level. Best of luck!!! Look forward for the updates.
December 2, 2014
Enjoy your enthusiasm have been playing since the Moneymaker boom and always recreational lot of late nights on Stars and full tilt before Black Friday then went dormant and have been playing on Bovada recently, like being anonymous look forward to following your progress.
September 29, 2014
Interesting post. I'm no expert but honestly, those table antics don't sound like pro moves to me. Neither does playing ofr 22 hrs str8. I like the fact the you made some table fun though. I know it's -ev to do all that stuff but if I wasn't involved in the hand I'd just watch the show. Break the monotony fo sho. GL honestly-
August 4, 2013
2BRACN said:
Hey man, good post. Always interesting to read these stories. May I ask how old you are? You said you have child support? Are you recently divorced and now have the freedom to follow your dream :)? Just curious, feel free not to answer that if you don't want.
I like your enthusiasm and your rules. What is your poker background? You been grinding cash for a while? Have you had live tournament success? You play tourneys on all the U.S. sites? Are you going to be living with a poker buddy or solo?
Sorry for all the questions. It sounds like you have thought this through really well. I am definitely rooting for you as it has always been my dream but doubt I ever get there. I am pretty happy being a heavy recreational player. I think if you have a good hourly at 2/5 over a really good sample size, that it is definitely doable. However, I do think 8-9k a month will be difficult to achieve at that level. Best of luck!!! Look forward for the updates.
i'm 44, too old for this. lol. i made a good profit from live MTTs as a second job with an ROI of 27% online and 92% live (only 75 tourney sample size) and indeed im up around 15K in tournaments my first 3.5 months as a poker pro but im down like 13K at cash and right now i've started my job search…it's painful starting over. i didnt come out here with the proper bankroll and ive spent way too much in my day to day living expenses. really hard to put a blueprint together for being a poker pro if i'm not profitable at cash. probably going to get some minimum wage job and then try to grind hard online MTTs 25-30 hours a week (where i should make $20-$25/hr). appreciate the support!
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