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December 6, 2012
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Hi guys,
Im a new player, looking at trying to build a bank roll from SNGs so that i can eventually use the earnings to play in MTTs. I thought I would start a little challenge diary thing, to post some hands and stats etc to get some feedback/support from anyone who is keen.
Game: $1/45man NL Standard SNGs on Pokerstars
Why This Game? 45man seems to be the cheapest form of Multi table tournament on pokerstars that seems to get a nice flow of players to be able to support multiple tables. I choose 45man as I am keen on minimising variance (with less players) as much as I can whileI am starting out to help keep upmorale and also support my bankroll management. I have choosen to play standard sngs to develop my skills in standard multitable tournaments to that if my long term goal of playing MTTs is realised I will already have a decent amount of experience in a similar structure to be able to get into the MTTs with minimal effort.
Bankroll: I have an account size of $100 (100 buyins) from what I can gather on the internet this is the recommended account size.
Uping the Stakes: I am going to play $1 SNGs until my account has dwindled to $0 or until the account has risen to $150. If I can get the account up to $150 I will then start to play $1.10/$2.20 MTTs along side continueing to play the SNGs to support my MTT buyins.
HUD: i use Tournament Indicator as my HUD. I like its simplicity which i think helps me to interpret stats in fly easier.
Strategy:
Structure:
10/20
15/30
25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200 + 25 ante
100/200 + 25 ante
200/400 + 25 ante
300/600 + 50 ante
400/800 + 50 ante
For the first two levels (10/20, 15/30) im playing super tight and only really preflop raising (AK,AA,KK), I will sweeten min raise or limp with any pocket pair for implied odds to double up.
For the third level I will loosen up my hand selection in position (button/cutoff/hijack) and try to play isolate nits, mostly trying to cut the hand down with value bets/c-bet.
If the first three levels dont seem to be working for me/ Ive been a bit card dead then im probably going to be shortstacked in the 50/100, 75/150 level (10-15BBS) so I am going to be picking my spots and shoving, I am probably going to be a bit tighter in the 50/100 level than in the 75/150 level but only slightly.
For all other levels I am going to play ABC poker, with raises in position to steal blinds when my stack<20BBs and shoving when i have less than 15BBS. If I have >20BBS i will try to isolate nittier players and win pots.
Poker Study/Review Sessions
In any given session I am going to play 3 SNGs at the one time. If I bust out I will reload another. If I am in the late stages of any of the SNGs, i will not start any new SNGs until that tournament is over (in order to maximise payout). I will endevour to play a minimum of 3 games per day.
At the end of each session I will complete a spreadsheet with data on my session statistics, ROI, date time etc.
I will also review 3 hands from each tournament that were hands that had a big effect on my overall tournmant success/failure. from the AVG 12 hands I will select 2/3 to post in this forum with my analysis and a report of my session and overall ROI.
Cheers guys and thanks for the support!
Kruupy.
October 22, 2012
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sounds like you have a plan
but its a long way if you only play 3 at a time
glgl
December 6, 2012
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“but its a long way if you only play 3 at a time” Badabing78
Do u recommend playing more at the same time, if so how many?The only reason why i cut it down to 3 was because 1) Im new and 2) because the games are standard I wanted to be able to focus on each game to be able to play with more of an edge over the opponents. But I was thinking that maybe 3 wasnt enough. Im interested in your thoughts 🙂
November 30, 2012
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If you’re a new player 3 tables is fine. 100buy ins is the recommended pro amount for MTT, as making your income of it, but if you have other income (as i assume you have) you should feel comfortable playing with less buyins, especially playing 45sngs. So once you feel you’re beating the 45s $1s you shouldnt be afraid of moving up (no need to rush it), i would say you should feel comfortable playing stakes you can beat with 25-30bi when poker isnt your main income.
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October 22, 2012
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of course beginning with 3 is totally fine but i would recommend adding more tables as soon as you feel comfortable.
just make a realistic calculation if you can make a roi of 20% over a samplesize of min 1000 tourneys its good
but in $ its not that much and it will take you over half a year to get such an amount on tourneys.
but i dont wanna sound discouraging, for getting used to the game your strategy sounds fine and you dont risk much money.
still i would recommend to add some 1$ mtts asap cause they could give you a bigger bankrollboost if you get a lil lucky and i'd also recommend to add some 1$ sattys (eg to the big 5 or sth similiar) every once in a while.
gl
November 30, 2012
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yeah, i second badabings advice here.
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October 22, 2012
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just found this, may be interesting for you since the guy shares his experience at the games you will play (but i have no idea how old this article is nor who wrote it)
December 6, 2012
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HI Badabing78, I checked out the link. Do you think the same theory applies to standard as well as turbos?
December 6, 2012
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hi all, played 3 tournys yesterday. I busted out of them all.
Two interesting hands:
Was this hand a shove from the small blind instead of a raise? – in the end my raise was called by K9s? – maybe i should have 4x? I wasnt keen on shoving as I thought my stack was large enough to not have to take these kind of risks just yet. What do u guys think?
and
I think in this hand I didnt c-bet high enough with my flush draw/straight draw. i think something 333 would have been much better than the gutlesss 150 i threw out. I put villan on AJ+, felt kind of sure that that he had the Ace, but then again his stats are a bit loose….What do you guys think?
All my shoves in the three games where good according to SNG wizard, just didnt manage to get over the line.
Looking forward to getting into a few games today. Thanks for your help guys.
Kruupy.
Bank Account before session: $100.98
Bank Account After session: $97.98
November 30, 2012
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The tt hand you didnt 3-bet? It’s a clear 3-bet (late position iso of ep limp), if he 4-bet shoves im calling vs most players(edit or perhaps not? These players probably dont see that this is a good spot to 3-bet light, might be a fold vs more players at this level than higher?). You will take it down with a small c-bet on most highcards flop, and looking to get it in on any low. If you feel he outflopped you when he calls cbet you still have a shortstack to work with.
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November 30, 2012
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Kj hand 333 is too big, 150 a tad small, 175-225 is nicer, and you should fire the turn aswell to fold out KT and KQ , this has the advantage that a decent procent of hands will check back river giving you a chance to win some showdowns when you miss your draw and he is also holding a draw and those time he is bluffcatching with a ten and you hit a pair.
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December 6, 2012
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Thanks for the posts Nqon, I think i definatly should have played more agg with the TT and the KJ, I hope i can learn my lesson for the next games.
October 22, 2012
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TT is for me a clear shove preflop
the KJ hand tbh i wouldnt open in this situation there, maybe im a lil nitty but it just gets complicated so often
October 22, 2012
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kruupy said:
HI Badabing78, I checked out the link. Do you think the same theory applies to standard as well as turbos?
i rarely play em so i'm not sure whaz the exact right strat in those
but it cant be wrong to play the early phase tightish and agg up when it counts and to play for the win on the ft like its mentioned in the article.
July 7, 2012
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kruupy said:
Thanks for the posts Nqon, I think i definatly should have played more agg with the TT and the KJ, I hope i can learn my lesson for the next games.
KJ hand – fold pre at this blind level, your out of position (early pos) and will get flatted alot and get in difficult spots. I know it looks like a strong hand but you dont want to blow 1/3 of ur stack playing post flop with it.
TT – I'd 3 bet jam i think, the UTG limp is rarely a trapping monster more likey a fish speculating, and the BTN iso raising.
November 30, 2012
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I agree with the corrections made. Perhaps I was a bit quick. But on the TT hand are we shoving 88 here? 99? AJs? I guess we are? What is our shove range here?
I agree that the KJs is probably a fold pre, but when opened you need to barrel the turn.
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November 19, 2012
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Will be following this thread,gl kruupy. I am playing a lot of the 3.50 45m & 2.50 180m sngs but am leaning towards playing more of the 45man turbos, just very high variance with the 180m turbos.i only have a roll of about $250 ATM but as said above I’m not a pro so don’t need to be so strict with the 100 buy in rule.
One thing I will say I have adjusted for playing these, Don’t freak out about being short stacked and shove too light in bad spots, in some cases 10-13 bb stacks are actually doing relatively well, I found tightening my shoving range in these spots worked really well for me,as I was constantly getting caught out, so I’d recommend playing with shifting your 20bb, 15bb rules a few bb lighter, if that makes sense..
December 6, 2012
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Hi guys,
Sorry i havent reported in lately, ive been really busy.
Basically Ive made a switch to 0.5c 45man turbos, because I was finding that I wasnt able to find the time to play standard (particularly because my gf wouldnt let me of the leash lol). So after sharkscoping myself, ive played 40 turbos and i am down $10.51 avg ROI is 53.6%. So yeah i am certainly feeling very crushed and demoralised. But i know that you need 400 games+ to iron out variance so im going to stick with it and hangin there, with hopefully as much support as i can get from you guys (thanks all!).
Ive watched and rewatched a “MTT Math” and Short stack boot camp on TPE aswell as the series on Tubro MTTs, in order to work on my shortstack play, ive got a copy of the spreadsheet to review some spots to see if they are +EV. Can anyone recommend a video/article that would help me to narrow PREFLOP hand ranges of villians for turbo short stack play? – or to help me translate HM2 stats into villian calling/shoving ranges? – i really need to work on this to get a bit more reliability out of my spreasheet calculations.
Also does anyone know how to use previously collected data on opponents in current tournaments with HM2? – at the moment each time I play a tournament the number of hands resets to 0, but there are some players that I have played with before that I know i have data on already that id like to use in this tournament, any ideas how to turn this on? – Also do you guys think that it is a good idea to turn this feature on?
Here is a few hands that I played today, im very keen on getting peoples ideas:
Tourny 1:
…..id/4807921
Is this a shove? – ive got 7bbs so i figured it was ok, but perhaps I should have never let my stack get to 7bbs in this position? A few orbits ealier I had this hand: …..id/4807922 Im thinking that this is a clear shove that I missed.
Tourny 2:
…..id/4807923
Tourny 3:
…..id/4807925
I know I was always getting smashed by the aces here, but is it a good shove spot?
Tourny 4:
…..id/4807926
Thanks for the your help.
November 19, 2012
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I’m no expert but I’ll have a crack.
1st hand: shove is ok, a5s is a shove their I feel. 7bbs isn’t ideal but it happens, especially In turbos.
2nd hand is a shove as well at those blind levels.
3rd, q9s, I’m a bit unsure myself, I could see myself folding here, with the stacks behind you are getting called more, and just about always behind, but I might be wrong.
4th, I’m folding, 12bb doesn’t seem like heaps, but in these 45m turbos you are doing well enough to fold this QJo from mid pos.
Last hand is a clear shove.
Bigdog does a series on 45 man turbos and makes some good points about being able to fold even when there is a slightly +EV spot, probably like your qj and q9 situations.
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