April 26, 2013
When I run deep in tournaments I normally check their OPR ratings. I've found that players with less than 90% (meaning they are in the best 10% of players) very rarely have a positive ROI (I only consider players with a decent samplesize: 1000+ tournaments played).
And only players with 99%+ constantly appear with ROIs of 25%+.
This means that you need to be top 10% to be profitable and to top 1% to be very profitable.
I made these observations on pokerstars.eu mostly. On this site I've also noticed that even the sickest pros with 99,98%+ ratings very rarely have higher ROIs than 40%.
On other sites, especially carbon, but also fulltilt and french-stars it seems that there are more players with 85%+ rankings that seem to be profitable, even over larger samples.
For concrete numbers: On pokerstars.eu there are sometimes 200k+ players playing at once. I guess more than 400k play there from time to time. Of all these I would estimate that about 10k are winning MTT (!) regulars in the long run. My guess for a global number would be something like 30000 – 90000 profitable regular MTT players (=pros).
Any one else who wants to guess?
August 16, 2013
Thank's, guys, for your replies. Thank you, Sen, sen for your accurate calculations.
My guess after all I seen on poker websites was that there are around 100k, but I took a more mathematical approach like you and now I think there area about 50k..
Somethin else in your post seems more interesting to me.. The fact that you said that only sick pros have barely 40%+ ROI.
I play low to midstakes and I have a 65% ROI. Are you playing at higher stakes?
I use sharkscope, and it seems to be more accurate. I see a lot of mistakes and lowstakes with ROI greater than mine, and of course a lot with lower ROI.
November 4, 2013
I am surprised at this estimate that only 10% of players are still able to make a long term profit. I thought it was like that a long time ago, and would have assumed that by now things have evened out a bit. My guess would have been something like 15-20% are profitable, but I am silly.
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