any sb fold to steal % bb fold to steal % on the opp.?

Well, take this for what it is worth, according to the Kill
Phil book, the equilibrium push range for an M of 7 in the CO would be:

22+, A7o+, A2s+, KTo+, K9s+, QJo, Q9s+, JTo, J8s+, T8s+,
98s+, 87s

Now, the equilibrium assumes your opponents are playing
optimally, if they aren’t then by adjusting your range (wider for tighter opponents, tighter for looser opponents) you would have an exploitive strategy that would be higher ev then the equilibrium strategy.

whoisjgalt said:

Well, take this for what it is worth, according to the Kill
Phil book, the equilibrium push range for an M of 7 in the CO would be:

22+, A7o+, A2s+, KTo+, K9s+, QJo, Q9s+, JTo, J8s+, T8s+,
98s+, 87s

Now, the equilibrium assumes your opponents are playing
optimally, if they aren’t then by adjusting your range (wider for tighter opponents, tighter for looser opponents) you would have an exploitive strategy that would be higher ev then the equilibrium strategy.

This seems right…I gotta check my chart….I use my chart so often I can just see shoves now w/o looking

a7o, a2s+, k8o+, k5s+, any pair, 56s+, j9o, 109o

mostly because they aren't calling correctly

HITTHEPANDA said:

a7o, a2s+, k8o+, k5s+, any pair, 56s+, j9o, 109o

mostly because they aren't calling correctly

 I didn't want to see the other responses before I answered – I knew that the optimal shoving range would be wider than my range. So I wanted to answer  honestly, not in a way that I thought would meet someone else's approval.
 

But Panda, this isn't way too wide?

I tried to put the numbers in the spreadsheet, but I don't know how to figure the fold frequency of three players multiplied by their average calling range and so on.

So I just singled out the BB with a stack pf t80,280, folding 85%, calling 15%.

K8o vs that range is about 30%

So 85% of the times RF picks up +t10,030

When he is called (15% of the time) and wins(30%) the bb's stack plus whats in the pot =+t4143  

Then subtract when he is called (15%) and loses (70%)  his stack =  -t12,301

= +1,872.

So this means  K8o vs the bb's calling range of 15%, it would be slightly + ev but certainly not the right move bec the amount won on average will not out- weigh the risk of being busted.

And when u add hands like JTo, 56s, 8Ts, the numbers arent that different.

So I'm pretty sure ( and please let me know if I'm wrong) that this range is not profitable enough to make vs just the bb. Add the other two players, and I just cant see how shoving this range is correct – especially when the “big” stacks are relatively close to each other.

Plus the fact that this 18bb stack is only one double up away from being among the leaders – an important shoving factor in sitngos, right?

OK, RF, I see. I have read that some successful online players will take any +ev, no matter how small or when in the tourney. I think Grapsfan wrote an article regarding this recently.

I'm just a nitty live player who is trying to get better and I truly appreciate the opportunity this site offers to ask a question or state an opinion such as this.

You make a great point about the blind levels escalating quickly and the opportunity to wait for a better spot may not come before your 18bb stack quickly becomes a 10bb stack.

Killingbird went over a couple of my muliti table sitngo hh's and he also told me I'm not open shoving wide enough , so now I def know that's something I have to work on.

 I've already started opening that range, but sometimes it just doesn't feel comfortable. I guess it must be like golf – when you take a lesson and the coach gets you to do something you're not accustomed to, it feels uncomfortable at first.