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May 30, 2012
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This one has me all over the place. It's a leak of sorts that I have been dealing with over the last few years. This tourney attracts the best every night (it's the nightly major) along with a bunch of clowns (including me)
Vill 1 – no reads, played with him/her maybe once or twice. Made a comments in chat a few minutes before this hand about a TPE member definitely going to be at FT. My name is the same on every site and forum. Pretty sure he was taking about him & I. No one else at that tbl is TPE that I know of.
Vill 2 – Big time player in NJ online. Has great results online and a few live this year. We know of each other and respect each other.
*Vill 2 has gotten into trash talking the last few minutes with 2 regs. I had just taken a huge loss, but chipped up a bit to this point.
We are 6-8 from money. 1k/2k bb Vill 1 – 110k in chips Vill 2 – 77k ME – 95k
Vill 1 (UTG 1) opens 6k
Me (UTG 2) flat 6k
Vill 2 (C/0) raises to 18k
Vill 1 FOLDS
Me ??? (Fold, raise or flat)
*My stack was top 8 at the time of hand…… 25 get paid. Mini cash is $125 or so 1st is $2900
May 30, 2012
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I guess I played this so bad no one wants to comment on it.
Haha, did not see this post yet…so no posts is not my fault 
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Hey man, why did you not 3bet original opener? Seems better than flatting, especially in early position like this. There are so many people to act behind, it just opens it up for a squeeze type play, which is what happened and is so hard to play against. 3betting with so many people to act behind can really prevent this spot and if you get 4bet they probably have it.
As played, I would love to reraise super small because this could easily be light but you guys are not deep enough and would commit you. Readless its a fold. If you have reason to believe its light, raise big and let him know your not folding.
May 30, 2012
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Thanks Hawk, always enjoy your posts. You are spot on here. I have been flatting AK/AQ a bunch lately. It's gotten me in trouble in the past and talked to a few of the boys and some said flat sometimes with it. Well, I admit this was NOT the spot.
I did find out that org Vill 1 is a member (NeverAA) he was HJ, I was the c/o and Pro was btn…. but that really didn't matter. For someone reason I told myself that I wasn't going to fold this hand pre. Not sure why, but with this Pro on the btn, I felt that he would try to 3bet lite and I would 3bet induce or just win the pot. WRONG !!! lol
It was just the wrong spot, WRONG time (5-8) from money. I admit this is a spot I **** up once or twice a month. I've talked about it before on here. To TTwist KB and others.
Looking back on the hand (as I have a bunch) I do wish I would have 3bet pre and folded to his 4bet because of where we were at near the money and since I had a TOP 5-8 stack.
Thanks for the comment my friend. I'll continue to learn and get better. Just need to take the EGO out of it and make smart decisions.
November 4, 2013
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Don't take the lack of responses the first few days harshly, P-aire .. just bump as you did!
It's easy for a post to get overlooked.
If I'm responding to a strategy post, I'm usually also leading it off with “I'm not a coach and could easily be wrong but here's what I think.” That means I also filter out a lot of my responses if I don't think I have anything but the obvious uncertainties to offer. Usually I'm responding to what I perceive as easier or more open ended questions.
Nice response hawkeye.
May 30, 2012
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Thank you sir. I just really wanted to hear a few responces from the boys. lol It was eating me up since thurs, but I knew what the answers were or should be. Your quick comments are why I love this site and have been one of the longer members and always will be as long as my boys are the owners…. lol
Back to studing
Thanks boys
August 4, 2014
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I think I folded 66 in this spot. I was either gonna stuff to his 3bet or fold, as that guy that 3bet could have done it with hands worst than you and me. But I had a comfortable stack and thought I will look for a better spot.
However, I think AK is very different than 66. With AK, you are almost never dominated. However, that guy raises to 18k, not 13500 or something that will get more value from us. That makes me think he exactly had pocket 99, TT, JJ, AQ, AJ, A10s, even maybe KQs. Thats why I folded because I thought I would be dominated most times and coinflip the rest. When I dont have a chance to dominate at this stage of the tournament, I try to avoid getting it in. I am not folding AK here. As I said before, I play to win it. Became a bubble boy many times so its fine if I would be again. But the great feeling of being first in a tournament is invaluable. Only if those clowns wouldnt get lucky and I could come first instead of 4th.
January 15, 2013
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The problem I have with flatting A-K here, and I believe that bigdog mentioned this in in one of the first podcasts on TPE in a similar hh review when someone flatted A-K (heard it again as part of the TPE University curriculum) is that you make the hand harder to play, imo.
If you 3 bet, and Vill 2 then 4 bets you with the utg to act behind, you’ve established preflop where you stand with A-K. By flatting you’ve now set up the squeeze, and, unless you have this Vill pegged and you were simply reverse squeezing to 4 bet him, to me you are now turning your holding into a guessing game and thus made it more difficult to play.
June 24, 2014
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3b the first time … Gii now …
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August 25, 2012
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Would probably make it 15k or so the first time around and almost always get it in, but I don't hate the flat. It can be good to flat AK sometimes in these spots if you think there are players behind who are likely to backraise.
As played, I think I would probably just get it in here – you're not deep enough effective vs the villain that you could 4bet/call. Just ship it and be pretty happy with the situation, whether he folds or calls. Don't like flatting the 3bet pre, think it becomes a very tricky hand if you do.
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December 30, 2013
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you can flat AK and AQ here more if you also flat QQ+ here sometimes, assuming you originally intended to back-raise all in vs potential 4bettors. back-raising all in almost always looks like AK to many regs IMO, and so we should avoid just doing that with AK everytime.
Hey fellas, what is the term “backraise?” I might be a fish at terminology sometimes!
May 30, 2012
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Looking back on it, I wish I would have just 3bet and folded to VILL's 4bet. He's a very good player and I thought he was on tilt from all the abuse he was getting from two players, but looking back at it, he's a good player and prob didn't care about it. Shame on me. It was my fault to “F” up in this spot like I did.
Thanks for everyones comments.
August 4, 2014
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MovesLikeDarwin: You have a very good point there. Day by day, I realized most 3, 4 bet allins are AQ and up and I also realize regs are aware of this. I have been on both sides of this statement 🙂
August 4, 2014
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P-aire: I believe you are giving too much credit to other players brother. Dont get me wrong, he maybe good really. But, how did you assess how good he is. Did you see him play knowing his hole cards? Did you see his hand history etc? Is he your close friend that you constantly share information with?
You can be surprised what hand he had. I know this has been a pain for you and I was actually in the crime scene myself lol. If he is a good player, then you should be better. And I believe you have the goods to do that. I already liked how you changed your thinking and got into some metagame stuff in your last comment there 🙂
May 30, 2012
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I know he's a GOOD player because he has HUGE results this year along with some big LIVE scores. That to me equates to him being a good player. I believe we both have respect for each other. Even w/ those other guys talking trash, his hand made most sense because we were close to the money and I was a top 10 stack. I should had two paths to go down and I went down to wrong one. Oh well, live and learn.
I don't mind players having different opinions from me. I'll take (or steal) what others tell me and form MY game and hope that it is good enough to go deep and maybe win a few tourneys here and there
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April 6, 2010
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hawkeyeK9 said:
Hey fellas, what is the term “backraise?” I might be a fish at terminology sometimes!
When a player who made a flat call faces a raise from a player in later position and makes a re-raise against that raise.
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December 30, 2013
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NeverAA said:
MovesLikeDarwin: You have a very good point there. Day by day, I realized most 3, 4 bet allins are AQ and up and I also realize regs are aware of this. I have been on both sides of this statement 🙂
can be a great way to balance by flatting bigger hands in this spot too, especially when you believe that there will be some aggro/good players 3 and 4betting behind you.
May 30, 2012
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I had a conversation about a year ago with Lee Childs & Jason Young. Jason didn't mind a flat with AK/AQ in a similiar spot or out of the blinds to under rep your hand. Some times it works and some times it doesn't.
I have made mistakes that have cost me lots of money over the years and have made mistakes that won me money. This was a spot I didn't mind at that VERY moment, but after I lost it I was like Oops………… for all the reasons I had mentioned.
Obviously, I ask friends and non friends for advice. Most of you are 100% right and some of you are 50% right……. All I can do is take the information and make the BEST decision at that moment for me.
It's a learning process and I plan on learning EVERYday.
Love all the feedback my friends
*By the way, a BIG win is coming soon I just don't know how soon. As of now, I'm still LivingTheDream!
August 4, 2014
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Did you fold this one by the way? I forgot lol 🙂
May 30, 2012
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Of course not, lol. I raised, he jammed, I was kinda committed, lol. still had 14bb's or so and bubbled it
On to the next one
August 4, 2014
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What did he turn over AA?
May 30, 2012
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KK
August 4, 2014
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To be honest, I think you should just forget about this and dont be upset about this. After all, you didnt make the call with KQ etc.
I think this is just a cooler considering that we have to balance the AK play(sometimes flat sometimes 3bet) as pros mentioned. Me folding 66 was normal but I dont think I would be able to stop myself from repopping him with AK. Its almost never dominated man 🙂
May 30, 2012
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I have more then moved pasted the hand, but it's always good to discuss hands and thoughts……….. I've been playing long enough where hands dont bother me, but I like to know what others think.
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