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April 6, 2010
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We start the hand with about 12K at 250/500. Villain has about 30K.
We open button to 1100 with AJo and BB calls. Flop comes J42. Villain checks. We bet like 1300. Villain Calls. Turn is a Q. We bet like 1800. Villain jams. Hero?
Villain seems good/solid and based on our prior night google research has won a bracelet this summer in a $1500 event. He also told me earlier that he is a TPE podcast listener and he knows who I am.
September 5, 2013
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Villain is never shoving worse Jx type of hands and don't see alot of bluffs given the boardtexture, alot is folding vs cbet. You're going to check the river behind alot, so I expect villain to raise/shove his value range. You need about 30% to call. Vs range with KT/53s in it it's a call.
April 26, 2013
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I think your flop bet seems a bit low, might get a lot of floats from KQ, AT+, maybe KT with backdoor flushdraws. I think I'd make it a little bigger than 1/2 potsize, you only want calls from worse jacks, lower pocketpairs and maybe some A4 hands. The board seems superdry (were there any flushdraws possible?)
Only hand you could beat when he makes his turn-shove is KJ, maybe some JT or KT and flushdraws if there were any.
So I'd fold, even if it sucks, but I see too many queens and sets and the obv two-pair in his turn check-shove range. The shove looks like beeing a little to big, but considering he would have to get it in on the river anyways when he raises 3x-ish (unless he has a pure bluff) I think it makes sense.
When are antes starting? Your 9k remaining can still open-fold with these blinds, so the damage to your stack isn't horrible.
I have to say, though, I've almost no live experience (except for some local fast-structured low-buyin events).
How did it play out?
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December 6, 2012
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Sen said:
I think your flop bet seems a bit low, might get a lot of floats from KQ, AT+, maybe KT with backdoor flushdraws. I think I'd make it a little bigger than 1/2 potsize, you only want calls from worse jacks, lower pocketpairs and maybe some A4 hands.
Why wouldn't you want a call from AT? Besides you shouldn't choose your cbet size based on what you're trying to accomplish with one specific hand.
FWIW I wouldn't bet turn unless I thought I could happily call a shove.
TPE Management
April 6, 2010
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Checking back turn and calling river (depending on sizing i suppose) seems like the right line. Of course, with our stack as short as it is, should we be folding to ANY bet on the river if we check the turn?
October 21, 2013
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I Def agree with Doctor Brokos (duh, who doesnt ? ) and the c bet/check turn /calling river (or v bet river if he checks to us)
Another line we can use i think, is to check back flop, and call his turn and river bets
December 24, 2013
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I prefer checking back here for a few reasons.
1) We will be opening very wide here. Because of this, coupled with a good player getting a good price to see the flop, we will be cbetting wide on this type of flop. Because we have a lot of hands that then give up on the turn, I'm protecting that range with a check of my strong hands that don't have a lot of value targets.
2) This is a good barrel card for the straight draw combos, which is still like 50ish combos of our cbet range. Our biggest value hands here is AA, QJ, JJ, 44, 22. AQ (45 combos of hands). (this is why I prefer checking here. I would give up a lot of complete whiffs against a good player in this spot, and we need something to bluff catch with)
3) Because we cbet small, we're able to have a lot of bluffs. Villain continues with Ace high floats, small mid pairs, as his adjustment. We check turn, call river floats that are now bluffs. If villain bets river with AQ, QJ, and sets, that's 30 combos of hands. It requires him to bluff very little for our river call to be a good one.
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December 30, 2013
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Jacob is missing KK and QQ in his analysis in 2), but nonethless the difference is very miniscule.
my go-to here is generally check back turn when i cannot call shove, call river leads. being a bracelet winner and one who listens to the podcast, its fair to say he is capable of reverse-floating the flop (another potential reason for cbetting slightly bigger). disagree tho that the cbet needs to be MUCH bigger, since we wouldnt be cbetting so huge with our (many) whiffs/bluffs…right?
June 1, 2012
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Such a sick spot i have no idea what to do here. On one hand its a bad spot to bluff for villian, on the other hand its a great spot to bluff. I guess it depends on what level he and you are thinking on. I guess i just flip a coin on this decisions and call if its heads, and fold its tails.
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