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April 18, 2014
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Preflop spot, 40 players left out of 162.Generated some discussion among my group.
I have 28K at 800/1600/200.
Just moved to new table one round ago, saw villain raise preflop, triple barrel and punt off 60% of his stack,paired board, not able to beat 2nd pair weak kicker on river.
9 handed, Villain (35K) min raises to 3200 UTG+2, folds to me in BB with A2o.
Thoughts?
What do you do if you call and an ace flops?
How does that change villain’s range and your equity?
May 30, 2012
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I think I fold and find another spot. He has lots of A’s, pairs and stuff in his range that crushes you. But I can also see a reason to give him the ole “STUFFY BAKER” and pick up his chips.
You’re low, but not at shove any 2. I wait.
if you call and flop an Ace…… 24.6ish left. mostly cbetting. 9k in pot. cbet 4k – 4.5k call. Down to 20k. Then hoping he chks……..
If I’m calling, I’m shoving when I see the “A” on board.
Lets be honest…………… even with 40 left in ANY WSOPC, the villian could be a clown or wizard having a bad moment that hand before?
What he a white guy, 40, wearing TPE black hat, hoody, with small bose headphones??? 😉
April 8, 2013
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Yea I agree, definitely just folding here. Your hand is going to be very tough to play post and you are too short. If all the money goes in on an A high board you are likely in alot of trouble.
May 30, 2012
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Listen to Joe, I totally agree with him and he won last year's WSOPC Main in AC so he knows.
April 18, 2014
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Yes, fold seems to be the consensus, however, my logic is that I am getting 4:1 pot odds with fairly short stacks on the call. I am clearly way better than that even against a tight range, and yes I understand the RIO.
On most ace high flops I become a significant favorite against his range, likely to get value from at least a villain cbet and possibly turn bet. If no ace, easy to get away from the hand for 1 bb.
Where is the error in this analysis?
April 18, 2014
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And no, it was not against you P_aire.
May 30, 2012
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Like I said Bortzork, I most likely fold, but a small % of time, I would call (mistake or not). Depending on who villian is and other factors. But I think your analysis is spot on.
April 18, 2014
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My analysis is wrong upon actually running the ev calc, I had mistakenly used too large a % for an ace flopping in my mental ev estimation at the time. Interesting to speculate at what bb count call, shove is actually best. Clearly at 2bb a shove is best, not at 17bb. where is the inflection point?
January 19, 2014
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I would probably fold this hand. It generally plays so poorly I would be more likely to raise with it than call. If he’s tilting a bit from losing half his stack he may be less likely to fold to a raise and more likely to call your shove or shove over your raise. .
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