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July 7, 2012
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No Limit Hold’em Tournament T200/T400
Buy-in: $200+$15 USD Hold’em No Limit
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8 players
Stacks:
UTG – UTG (T7,939)
UTG+1 – UTG+1 (T13,644)
MP – MP (T6,282)
MP2 – MP2 (T8,840)
CO – CO (T32,729)
BTN – BTN (T4,010)
SB – SB (T11,226)
BB – Hero (T22,905)
Blinds 400/200/50
Preflop: (T1,000, 8 players) Hero is BB with 9♠ 9♣
4 folds, CO raises to T840, BTN raises to T3,960 (all-in), SB raises to T11,176 (all-in), BB????????
I was prepared to 3bet the CO if he opened and it folded to me, and would call a 4 bet and take a flop. I was prepared to call the BTN shove if it folded to him. I was prepared to 3 bet get it in with the SB if it folded to him and he raised (or limped). However, this amount of action in front of me somewhat threw me.
What would you do?
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August 25, 2012
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Looks close, very read-dependent. If all three are good regs then the SB can have something like 77+ AJs+, which makes this probably good, but if one or more are not then it changes a lot.
How wide is the CO opening? Does the BTN have a good read on the CO? Does the SB have a good read on the BTN? These are all considerations. Tough to give an answer without them.
In general I imagine this is the top of my folding range here – AQs also seems thin, so I think we’re going TT+ AK. That seems tight, but if one or more of the players are really loose or they’re all confirmed good regs then it’s possible we can go 99+ AQs+. Wouldn’t go any wider than that though, 88 and AQo have less equity multi-way. Interesting spot. You can’t even run it on HRC because HRC doesn’t do 4-way spots!
July 7, 2012
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theginger45 said
Looks close, very read-dependent. If all three are good regs then the SB can have something like 77+ AJs+, which makes this probably good, but if one or more are not then it changes a lot.How wide is the CO opening? Does the BTN have a good read on the CO? Does the SB have a good read on the BTN? These are all considerations. Tough to give an answer without them.
In general I imagine this is the top of my folding range here – AQs also seems thin, so I think we’re going TT+ AK. That seems tight, but if one or more of the players are really loose or they’re all confirmed good regs then it’s possible we can go 99+ AQs+. Wouldn’t go any wider than that though, 88 and AQo have less equity multi-way. Interesting spot. You can’t even run it on HRC because HRC doesn’t do 4-way spots!
That explains that then – I spent ages trying to do this spot in HRC!
Co seemed like a decent reg, and quite aggro once he had chipped up. Was opening a lot of pots.
BTN had been short the whole time on the table. No real read on him.
SB I felt was more recreational player.
I did consider my options before folding. I mainly folded because there was a possibility of the CO waking up with something and I was going to be committing over 55bbs with 99 because call folding is not really an option.
The reason for bringing this hand up was the actual hands that were shown down. This made me consider how wide might the ranges of the BTn and SB actually be and how does 99 stack up against them. The BTN had 66 (which is a reasonable shove over the CO open) but the SB iso shoved nearly 30bb with As8s. The cut-off folded as well.
I think I might have considered a call if the SB was in 17-23bb region rather than the 28bb region of stack size.
December 21, 2015
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Well…when stuff like that happens, I try to tell remind myself that I shouldn’t be “results oriented” but stick to the best play. I understand the frustration is real though…like SB A8? really?!? But he could easily have had AK, AQ. Cut off could be smaller pair, SB shoving though into all of that would scare me off of my 99s. I think in this spot with having to commit half your stack this would be 50/50 for me. I think may be read depenedent, cause you could easily discount the CO raise, the bb shove but the SB reshove…that would be the deciding factor for me I think. I think not knowing anything about anyone, the SB shove just seems super strong. I’m thinking minimum TTs-AQ, maybe maybe 88s…anyways, I think I find a fold.
March 10, 2016
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I wondered why we cant set up the situation in HRC so I tried to do it. I understand why we cant model it now :-). I think seeing the CO call range vs the action can help us get a sense for what we should do with 99s. According to my assumptions of 23% CO open, 10% btn shove(66+, AT+, KQ), 6.8% SB shove(88+, AJ+) the CO should call off with 99+,AK+. 99s were +0.49. The weird thing is I dont know what edge we should be taking…my impression is anything above 1BB is a good edge we should not pass up. Maybe you can help me figure out what we should do with +0.49!
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August 25, 2012
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Turbulence said
That explains that then – I spent ages trying to do this spot in HRC!
Co seemed like a decent reg, and quite aggro once he had chipped up. Was opening a lot of pots.
BTN had been short the whole time on the table. No real read on him.
SB I felt was more recreational player.
I did consider my options before folding. I mainly folded because there was a possibility of the CO waking up with something and I was going to be committing over 55bbs with 99 because call folding is not really an option.
The reason for bringing this hand up was the actual hands that were shown down. This made me consider how wide might the ranges of the BTn and SB actually be and how does 99 stack up against them. The BTN had 66 (which is a reasonable shove over the CO open) but the SB iso shoved nearly 30bb with As8s. The cut-off folded as well.
I think I might have considered a call if the SB was in 17-23bb region rather than the 28bb region of stack size.
Be very careful about paying any attention at all to results in this spot (i.e. what they actually had). The bigger the pot, the greater the temptation to be results-oriented.
In general, if SB is a recreational player, that probably shifts this towards a fold for me. Most recs are likely to be a little too tight in that spot.
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