June 20, 2013
PokerStars Hand #100447912600: Tournament #810010227, $30+$3 USD Hold’em No Limit – Level IX (75/150) – 2013/06/23 12:48:46 WET [2013/06/23 7:48:46 ET]
Table ‘810010227 88’ 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kenni100 (215 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: ToucanYrChip (7585 in chips)
Seat 3: lew4jen (3042 in chips)
Seat 4: peggy17293 (5775 in chips)
Seat 6: xsoopel (3970 in chips)
Seat 7: bond slav (4776 in chips)
Seat 8: morfiso (3852 in chips)
Seat 9: martha1888 (10325 in chips)
kenni100: posts the ante 20
ToucanYrChip: posts the ante 20
lew4jen: posts the ante 20
peggy17293: posts the ante 20
xsoopel: posts the ante 20
bond slav: posts the ante 20
morfiso: posts the ante 20
martha1888: posts the ante 20
xsoopel: posts small blind 75
bond slav: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ToucanYrChip [6d Qd]
morfiso: folds
martha1888: folds
kenni100: folds
ToucanYrChip: raises 150 to 300
lew4jen: folds
peggy17293: calls 300
xsoopel: folds
bond slav: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [Qc 4h 2h]
bond slav: checks
ToucanYrChip: bets 450
peggy17293: folds
bond slav: calls 450
*** TURN *** [Qc 4h 2h] [Ah]
bond slav: checks
ToucanYrChip: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qc 4h 2h Ah] [6s]
bond slav: checks
ToucanYrChip: bets 1420
bond slav: raises 2586 to 4006 and is all-in
ToucanYrChip: folds
Uncalled bet (2586) returned to bond slav
peggy17293 said, “he”
bond slav collected 4875 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4875 | Rake 0
Board [Qc 4h 2h Ah 6s]
Seat 1: kenni100 folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 2: ToucanYrChip folded on the River
Seat 3: lew4jen folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 4: peggy17293 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: xsoopel (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: bond slav (big blind) collected (4875)
Seat 8: morfiso folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
Seat 9: martha1888 folded before Flop (didn’t bet)
I was very, VERY, close to a call. To be honest I thought I would be left with too few chips if I was wrong and had enough chips back to utilise going forward.
Do you call or fold?
June 20, 2013
I have played a couple more hands with this guy now and he’s been exposed as a maniac. So knowing what I do now I would definitely have called.
I got revenge just now by making a big call with second pair on his turn over-shove. He had bottom pair and I got back the 40 bb that I had recently lost with a KK vs TT suckout.
TPE Pro
September 28, 2012
If you were OOP and bet and he shvoed(aka he checekd back turn), I think you cna fold. Since he is OOP and had to cehck river, I dont thnik he has any(read:many) credible flushes in his range. 35 is a possiblity though. I still think we should call.
We have to call about 2500 into 7200 or so(rough math), so we dont have to be right all that often, and your line looks weak enough to where bluffs are possible for him.
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June 20, 2013
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I definitely wouldn’t open in this spot as standard. I can’t remember the exact reason now but it may have been because I had been card dead and didn’t want a nitty image, I’m not exactly sure. (It could also have been watching too many of Casey’s vids and mis-applying them lol.
I wasn’t sure what he had but I was leaning more toward A2 or A4 than a flush or straight. But any of those hands beat me and I figured the only hands we beat are complete bluffs with air (that also floated the flop) or if he is overplaying an Ax hand that he floated the flop with.
Looking at this hand again, even with the hindsight of him being a maniac, I actually think it’s a fold. There are too many hands that beat us and too few that we beat. I cannot see him playing a bluff this way so it’s only Ax hands that floated the flop that we beat imo.
I’m here to learn though so would like to know what you think about my logic and if it is flawed.
PS. I actually went on to win this tourney for my biggest ever score, just days after joining TPE! :)) So would like to thank all the instructors for their great vids, even if I played this individual hand poorly and against their advice.
June 1, 2012
It sucks hearing about so much MTT success when in these continually run thousnds of chips below EV. I make so many deep runs but hardly ever win the flips that matter with the best hand or not. Thats why i play cash games because skill shows itself a lot quicker. Sorry for the tangent. As for the hand in a vacume i am not calling this river hardly ever. People rarely check raise bluff the river even maniacs and the players that can Eg myself are not actully maniacs at all. People dont have sicko bluff ranges at this level. You cap your range by checking back the turn which makes yourself open to this play. But since we are not dealing with a very good player a population read will tell us that peoples typical range in this spot is 3,5 and flushes.
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