A A A

Home Forum MTT Poker Strategy would ya give me a thumbs up for th…

Topic Rating: 0 (0 votes)

would ya give me a thumbs up for this?

folding_aces_pre_yo

High Stakes Mario Kart Propping

Members

Forum Posts: 1133

Member Since:
September 14, 2014

Offline

April 22, 2015 - 3:00 pm

#Game No : 502991756
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 502991756 *****
$100/$200 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 
Tournament #68391358 $3.60 + $0.40 - Table #22 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Loszozord ( $9,380 )
Seat 2: jonisoprano ( $5,945 )
Seat 3: rossbo81 ( $6,090 )
Seat 4: octavio44 ( $4,125 )
Seat 5: boltys ( $5,110 )
Seat 6: london_ace ( $8,225 )
Seat 7: kosminelu ( $4,850 )
Seat 9: airtight1111 ( $5,575 )
Seat 10: hen2728 ( $5,000 )
boltys posts small blind [$100]
london_ace posts big blind [$200]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ 5, 6 ]
kosminelu folds
airtight1111 folds
hen2728 folds
Loszozord raises [$400]
jonisoprano folds
rossbo81 folds
octavio44 folds
boltys calls [$300]
london_ace calls [$200]
** Dealing flop ** [ A, 4, K]
boltys checks
london_ace checks
Loszozord checks
** Dealing turn ** [ Q ]
boltys checks
london_ace bets [$900]
Loszozord calls [$900]
boltys folds
** Dealing river ** [ 7]
london_ace checks
Loszozord bets [$2,250]
london_ace raises [$6,925]
Loszozord folds

Hey

No reads apart from the flat caller from the sb , he seems terrible.

My plan was to c/c flop , would not like a c/r here thats for sure , since there's not much i can represent that's strong , apart from

44 though there's only 3combo's of that.

anyhow when v checks back flop there range seems really weak , they could be checking back here with QQ/JJ/TT (maybe with a spade)

they'll very likely bet there flush draws on the flop and perhaps a hand like JT , so when we get to the turn their range would be rather marginal/draw hands.

I bet 3quarters of the pot ott to get value from a spade and from those hands i listed above. When we get to the river it does not change much , their range would still

be marginal including hands like K Q or K J plus missed draws which they were chasing.

so i decided to go for a check raise shove otr , what i do wonder is though , would had been better if i had just mini c/r? maybe to get a call from Kx or maybe QQ?

my value target would be QQ or KQ though i just think there's going to be more weaker hands in there range here which conist of missed draws.

also if you like my line here, just type in "thumbs up" 🙂

cheers.

TheClubber

Midstakes Master

Members

Forum Posts: 117

Member Since:
November 18, 2013

Offline

April 22, 2015 - 7:23 pm

I agree the flop check likely means villain doesn't have much here. With the lack of c-bet and the flat call on the flop. villains is probably so weak that on the river he will fold most of his range to another bet, so I like checking the river to let him bluff his missed draws or try a thin value bet with worse.

I find it really unlikely he has a better flush. A spade and Q spade are on board. If he had K-high flush it would mean he checked the flop with 2nd pr + NFD and declined to raise the turn which would be unusual for hand that strong.

With his range so weak, it seems unlikely he can call a seocnd value bet often, so I like your decision to check. I'm doubtful there's much he can call the river check-raise with that's worse and for that reasone I'd at lease consider if calling is better than raising. But since it may be really hard to fold JT or a set, I would probably still raise and hope he has the top of villain's range. I would also consider a smaller size to the check raise to make bluff-catching more tempting. Otherwise, it seems like a good line to me.

Foucault

TPE Pro

Members

Forum Posts: 2067

Member Since:
December 6, 2012

Offline

April 23, 2015 - 11:39 pm

It's OK, but I doubt you ever c/r river as a bluff, and many Villains will correctly guess that, so you do need to go pretty small to make calling appealing. Probably better just to bomb river yourself.

Why are you guys so convinced the flop check is weak? Here are some strong hands that may well check flop and call turn:

Kx spades

weak Ax (including A7)

I'd actually think air is pretty unlikely after the flop check, but that marginal hands, including some that plan to call two barrels, are definitely in there. That means you shouldn't expect to see many river bluffs or thin value bets.

folding_aces_pre_yo

High Stakes Mario Kart Propping

Members

Forum Posts: 1133

Member Since:
September 14, 2014

Offline

April 25, 2015 - 8:12 pm

you’re right , i’d hardly c/r river here as a bluff. That’s just another leak which i’ve gotta sort out. The question is now what will i be c/r when we get to the river here? what would you c/r here? missed draws?

I must say though what i do know is that when we get to the turn ,my bluffing range would be wide , how wide? well i’d lead with all my air once both villain checks back that flop , so i’d probably consider that a number 5 spot or at the very least a number 4 spot. Though since you said that villain very well be capable of checking back strong hands , i’d probably consider the turn a number 3 spot which is any semblance of a draw/2 overcards , so i actually have a good bluffing candidate when we get to the turn. Do u agree with this?

as for your question as to why I think the flop check is weak is because i think if villain had monsters like AA/KK/AK they would want to bet those to get value from worse , AQ/AJ, secondary value targets -flush draws straight draws JQ/QT. Also i think it would be more unlikely villain would check a hand like AA since they don’t have the spade , if they did have the spade , they may be less reluctant to bet those as they block combo’s for the flush, which means they may slow play here as they don’t have a strong value target.

i guess at the same time we can’t fully discount villain having monsters in there range, maybe they may check back to balance there checking back range with their strong hands or checking back a flush draw like K spade Q spade so when they do hit its less likely we will put them on a flush perhaps , but for the most part i reckon when they do check back flop , i’d say say that draws are heavenly discounted and monsters too! 😛

btw when we get to the turn , i don’t think a hand like KQ is a monster anymore nor is AA/KK , a lot of straights and flushes got there OTT , so those hands have now become marginal! which would probably pay of 2 bets. So i think shoving or maybe just betting half a pot on the river would be okay , as those marginal hands will check it back .

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 2780

Currently Online:
76 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)