oo btw i shoved river andrew terrible play i know 😐 I was thinking that v may call with AQ , not realizing that there’s so many other hands in his range that he can call with that has me beat lol.

i’m assuming once you’ve c/r small ott with your bluff range your then shoving most rivers whether your draw gets there or not. You could also represent a flush otr if a spade gets there when u have a hand like a missed straight draw.

JL always says how large extravagant bluffs are almost always -EV in tournaments and that is why he bets the river mostly for river for value. He’s saying how players just don’t fold top pair so you’ll get called more often then not. As much as i respect him as a poker player i disagree i think many players will fold top pair.

In his book he gives an example “bluffing on the river”, so you raise to 3bbs out of your 150bb stack with AJdd and the big blind calls, the flop is Qs9d6c you make a standard c-bet of 4bb and v calls , the turn is Ks , your opponent checks and you decide to bet 9bb on the turnhoping he folds, but he calls. The river is a 2d, and your opponent checks.This is a terrible spot to bluff because if your opponent had something on the turn, he probably isn’t folding. He could have a flush draw, but even then you still have the best hand. The only thing you may be able to bluff is Q-J or Q-10 , and he’ll sometimes call even then.If instead of AJ you have J8, you should just give up river because most of your opponents wont fold. You might bet a small amount to push him off a busted flush draw , but even that is pushing it. If an opponent tells you he had a hand by calling on the flop and turn , especially you have any showdown value, you should check behind on the river. 

thoughts on this?