November 3, 2014
This situation has come up several times in recent weeks so I present this as an example:
PokerStars, 180MTT, $4.10+$0.40 No Limit – Level III (25/50, 6 ante)
9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: chipmaniac87 (1167 in chips)
Seat 2: Rus_us8 (1612 in chips)
Seat 3: TommyCrown (3863 in chips, 77bb)
Seat 4: Martalas300 (3946 in chips, 79bb)
Seat 5: JennaTILTson (2535 in chips)
Seat 6: Niktopdollar (1354 in chips)
Seat 7: 1sualchan1 (1105 in chips)
Seat 8: ze_pilas (1592 in chips)
Seat 9: bollie blauw (1061 in chips)
Martalas300: posts small blind 25
JennaTILTson: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TommyCrown [Kh Ks]
Niktopdollar: folds
1sualchan1: folds
(MP) ze_pilas: raises 50 to 100 (Stats after 489 hands, 21/17 – MP 30%PFR, 3B 9.1)
bollie blauw: folds
chipmaniac87: folds
Rus_us8: folds
(BTN) TommyCrown: raises 155 to 255 (37 hands at table, PFR 13%, 3B 0%)
(SB) Martalas300: calls 230 (Stats after 37 hands, 43/6, donk bet 63%/8)
JennaTILTson: folds
ze_pilas: calls 155
Pot: 869 *FLOP * [8c 6d 7s]
Martalas300: bets 1300 (26bb)
ze_pilas: folds
For background I doubled up in hand 21/37 by raising a MP limper from the BTN with QTs and flopping a flush to his set, so I may seem a little maverick even though I haven’t played a significant hand since then and villian may perceive me as having a wide enough range not to hit this flop too often.
I will assume there is no value in just calling here, as calling and folding the turn seems a disaster, whilst if he has a draw he looks committed and I should get full value now. Additionally, he has bet into 2 players so assume some equity and he did call a 3 bet so I am only considering suited non pairs. Therefore I would put his hands into 3 categories: I’m crushing, I’m crushed, Combo-Draws which I will assign 1/3rd each, and although I may not be exhaustive in the following hand selection I hope it is representative.
I’m crushing – TT, JJ, QQ, A8s and one GS/OC bluff JTs – KKeq = 82.05%
I’m crushed – 88,66,77,87s,76s,86s,T9s,54s,AA(slow played but now concerned) – KKeq = 12.53%
Combo-Draws – 65s,98s,99,55,A9s,A5s – KKeq = 58.15%
Total KKeq = 50.91%
So against a fairly representative range of hands I’m flipping whilst pot odds, assuming my only option is to gii and he never folds, is 3863 into prospective pot of 8073 for 47.85%.
As this is so marginal, it’s relatively early in the tournament and I have a healthy enough stack, should this be a tactical fold even though I believe I have the best hand currently? Even if we take out some c/r candidates from his range 88,T9s,98s we only improve to 52.01%?
If we are folding, what pot odds or stack depth would folk require at this stage of the tournament for risk/reward?
TPE Pro
December 6, 2012
If you were actually 50.91% here needing 49%, I wouldn't mind folding. It seems like all you did was add 82.05 + 12.53 + 53.13 and then divide by 3 to get 50.91, though, which is not the right way to do it. There are more combos of the hands that you're crushing out there than there are hands that you crush (it's easier to flop an overpair than a set). Try putting Villain's range into an equity calculator like Slice and see where you actually stand.
November 3, 2014
I did put it through slice first and then split it out to show thinking but it stays similar… between 48-52% depending on how many draws I put in or whether I remove some hands like c/r candidates… it moves towards 65% only if we assume he will never do this with set or straight, which has been my dominant line of thought in these situation, but ultimately exploitable I guess… just as I would not want to coin flip +70bb early in a tournament pre-flop, I wanted to see what thoughts were on post flop situations like this which are similar… I think most of the time we do have the best hand on the flop because players would c/r super strong hands but there’s never much in it and a tactical fold seems appropriate…
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