I am a little more aggressive, so idk if I am the best to reply to this haha.. I think I am shoving a pretty big range here. I don't care about min cashing in a tournament as much as I would like making a FT or Winnning it. probably any connectors and allot of Aces.

One Eyed Mule said:

I am usualy looking at being first one to enter in hand,  my range live is a lot tighter than online.

If i have a good read could be a lot wider but without Aq+  JJ+  there.  

Why do you play tighter in a live tourney in this spot than online? I would like to know for I am hitting up a live tourney in March. It has sparked curiosity. I usually don't really adjust too much different live than online but that is me. You got me interested.

hapetimes said:

I have a bit of experience in decent sized live tourneys in NZ and a bit in australia and imo most players DONT call appropriately when it comes to end-game push fold.

This is especially true when WE are the one open shoving and the blinds have some older guy/lady in them

 

This means that in a live setting it should be more profitable to open shove a wider range than usual

 

However, 3bet shoving is quite different.

In this hand an unknown villain opens UTG to a full 4x with a 25BB stack. Online or live this seems so much like a big hand that he's never folding, esp to a 13BB short stack like ours as we don't expect to have any FE.

I'd probably have a pretty tight range here similar to Mule for these reasons (AQs+ TT+)

 

Live, i've many times open shoved even around 10BB's in, and the blinds tank open muck hands like A9o, KJs and even 44..

 

Online, you get snapped off with these 3 hands every single time..

 

 

 

+1 to this. Exactly what I was thinking. Well said.

live 4x from EP is almost always a strong but not super strong hand imo. my experience, its alot of 99-JJ. they just want everyone to fold and dont want anyone to easily call pre cuz they suck at post flop and hate to see overcards to their pp. yea its the bubble, but that makes his range that much more tighter cuz cashing live is an achievement for most.

adjusting your game between online and live is mandatory and really crucial. live players are so terrible and easily predictable. their ranges are very transparent, they fold way too much against open shoves, they call too many 3bets, they hardly ever 4bet light, they suck at gauging stack sizes. the more i think about it, i need to get to foxwoods asap lol. 

Should have called this '3-bet shove range' in the title. 

I guess my question is, with my stack and where we are at getting close to the bubble, are you willing to risk your tournament life if you know you're flipping?  I put the guy on a decent pair in the 99-JJ range, given his raise and his stack.  So was it stupid because there will be much better spots to open shove or was it ok because if I win the hand, I'm at least probably guaranteed a min-cash?

Again, thanks for all the advice.