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April 6, 2013
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We are an hour into the money in the Scoop-M. Excellent structure tourney. Been at this new table for 14 hands. CO is running 21/21 and BTN 14/8/14. Not exactly large samples in 14 hands. I search BTN and see he is still in the Scoop-H for this event which is 2k buy-in. CO is from Brazil. What's my shoving range here?
Poker Stars $200+$15 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1500/t3000 Blinds + t375 – 9 players – View hand 2216031
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
BTN: BB = 32.5, t97486
Hero (SB): BB = 17.5, t52377
BB: BB = 109.9, t329675
UTG: BB = 18.0, t53864
UTG+1: BB = 15.1, t45375
UTG+2: BB = 20.2, t60660
MP1: BB = 79.1, t237293
MP2: BB = 30.9, t92839
CO: BB = 104.6, t313938
Pre Flop: (t7875) Hero is SB with X
5 folds, CO raises to t6000, BTN raises to t14235, Hero raises to t52002 all in
April 6, 2013
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Ok I am going to get the ball rolling (since no one else is) and throw a pretty wide range out there:
ATo+ 55+ KQs.
July 5, 2012
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this really depends or not, if you think mr. Brazil is going to snap iso with a super wide range here, and/or
you know how often BTN is eager to raise/fold his 32 BBs.
i assign you a tighter range, if we think you are almost always getting called in at least one spot here.
I would be more apt(and maybe too nitty), to assign you a range of KQo,KQs,88+, and AJs+
but a deeper look at the hand and dynamics might dictate a much wider shove if we think Brazil is folding more often, than not, and we have FE on from the button 3 bettor.
If this was the case I am more comfortable 3 betting hands with good equity, even when called. 910s,KJs, suited aces, and all the hands listed above.
And if we had more info…..i am(though admittedly spewy) shoving any two if I know button is a good reg, and is simply exploiting brazil's open on the button with an equally wide range.
May 6, 2013
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55+ A9s+ ATo+ KQs
I would go with the same range as you Gareth.
January 27, 2013
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I don’t dispute this range, but I wish to better understand it. Using Pokerstove’s hand ranking, a lot of Broadway connectors and suited Aces and a few suited Kings get priority over 55, 66, and maybe 77. I’m guessing you guys are leaving them out because they end up being dominated when we get called. Paging Thomas Bayes.
April 6, 2013
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piefarmer said:
I don't dispute this range, but I wish to better understand it. Using Pokerstove's hand ranking, a lot of Broadway connectors and suited Aces and a few suited Kings get priority over 55, 66, and maybe 77. I'm guessing you guys are leaving them out because they end up being dominated when we get called. Paging Thomas Bayes.
The BTN is going to be getting a pretty sweet price to call it off. So shoving A3s is going to be problematic if he calls every ace he three-bets (if he three-bets a lot of AX). It depends. He should be three-betting 88 to get it in here so pair-wise I'm not too confident either. I just threw out a range — I haven't run calculations yet.
July 3, 2010
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I'm glad you wrote what you did as your latest reply because with a structure this good the first thing that stuck out to me was thinking you were including too many small pairs in the initial range you constructed.
A good player with the button here will be 3 betting a lot of smaller pairs, realzing you just don't flop sets enough but you also probably have the best hand at the moment and so you'll win at a much higher clip with a 3 bet here than a flat.
Anyways …
I think 77 or 88 is where I'd start with my pairs. For unpaired hands, probably something like KQo, KQs, and A9+
August 23, 2012
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The thing is that small pairs have better equity than suited and unsuited broadway hands vs his calling range because there are a lot more combos of overcards than big pairs. For example, there are 16 combos of AK and only 6 combos of AA. 55 will have more equity than a hand like KJo because 55 is flipping most of the time whereas KJo will be flipping some of the time, behind most of the time or even dominated by BTN's calling range. I agree with including small pairs in our 4b shoving range before broadway hands below KQs.
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