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Whats my range to call this big shove??
RicMar
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October 30, 2010 - 12:37 am
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Whats my range here to call that guy shove??

 

Full Tilt Poker Super Stack $15K Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1400/t2800 Blinds + t350 – 8 players
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TimelessFlop (UTG+1): BB = 100.6, t281789, M = 40.26
Coallan (MP1): BB = 22.1, t61741, M = 8.82
f black (MP2): BB = 29.3, t82121, M = 11.73
masok85 (CO): BB = 22.3, t62547, M = 8.94
oG818KuSh (BTN): BB = 26.2, t73263, M = 10.47
highbankbud (SB): BB = 19.6, t54959, M = 7.85
Ky3eHoK (BB): BB = 30.9, t86428, M = 12.35
PRO4EVER (UTG): BB = 45.1, t126161, M = 18.02

Pre Flop: (t7000) PRO4EVER is UTG with T of clubs T of diamonds
PRO4EVER raises to t6185, 3 folds, masok85 raises to t62197 all in, 3 folds, PRO4EVER calls t56012

Flop: (t131394) 7 of hearts 9 of hearts Q of clubs (2 players – 1 is all in)

Turn: (t131394) 5 of hearts (2 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t131394) 7 of clubs (2 players – 1 is all in)

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October 30, 2010 - 7:49 am
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We're getting 1.346:1 on the call which means we need to be 42.6% against his shoving range. You're raising from UTG so CO's shove should be tighter than if you'd opened up from say MP. Against TT+, AQ+ we're 40.282%. Have you been opening a lot? If so then maybe we can add 88+ to his range and then we're 47.505%. Tough decision, although I think I'm calling here and hoping to win a race against AK. It might be worth looking at the other stacks at the table before opening and deciding what you're going to do before raising. For example, deciding that you're snap calling the SB if he shoves based on his stack size and his stats, but folding to a 3bet from the tight MP2. Hope that helps a bit.

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October 30, 2010 - 8:49 am
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Looking att he situation now, I think I rather fold 1010 here and maybe AQ, calling AK and JJ+. I lost half of my stack in this hand and I didnt need to take the risk.

He had JJ.

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October 30, 2010 - 9:54 am
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This is a 10x 3bet, pretty much only thing I am calling with here is AA for sure. KK is on the line, that moves so many times is a premium PP (pretty typically AA). I think you can easily fold TT there and get away.

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With 22BBs I'm pretty sure KK+ would want action and thus not want you to fold pre. I'm pretty sure this is JJ, QQ and AK (hands that some players don't want to play post flop with this stack size) a tonne of the time, which we don't have the right equity against with TT.

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mistergjs first post is spot on. this is a really close spot that depends on a lot of things that aren't really included in the OP. readless it's really tough to say whether or not he's jamming stuff like 88/99/AQ over an UTG open. FWIW i'd snap fold 99 and get JJ in.

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This is really hard cuz basically put me in a spot where if I win the pot I have almost 200k chips and im so comfortable t odo whatever, thinking there were only 70 ppl left, but losing the pot, i went down to 60k chips and a M of 8 I think.

 

Its really hard for me, cuz this nice tourney I always play starts at midnight here in Portugal, and by the time tou come to the last 50 or so, Its 6am here, you stop thinking that clearly anymore….

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Hagbard Celine said:

mistergjs first post is spot on. this is a really close spot that depends on a lot of things that aren't really included in the OP. readless it's really tough to say whether or not he's jamming stuff like 88/99/AQ over an UTG open. FWIW i'd snap fold 99 and get JJ in.


 

this is where my heads at on this one but what was your image at the time and did you think villain was capable of 3 bet shoveing you light? as villain does have a perfect 3 bet shove stack and your stack is perfect to 3 bet shove against.

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