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August 21, 2014
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Hi, hope some of you could reply me some suggestions.
This is a $7.50 Turbo Tourney, the money is reached and we got about 100 Players left.
PokerStars – $6.82+$0.68|4000/8000 Ante 1000 NL – Holdem – 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: …..racker.com
MP+1: 15.64 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
MP+2: 7.32 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
CO: 12.2 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
BTN: 14.6 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 54)
SB: 5.65 BB (VPIP: 36.84, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
BB: 9.42 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
UTG: 65.72 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 30)
Hero (UTG+1): 21.48 BB
MP: 18.4 BB (VPIP: 9.38, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
9 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 2.63 BB) Hero has Ts Th
UTG raises to 2 BB
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Thank you
Best Regards
Markus
December 29, 2014
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Great question. I am not a pro, so will be interested in a pro's analysis of my reply. Also my first stab at commenting on another person's scenario:
I would 3-bet to about $35k. The reason for this would be it shows strength, and anyone acting behind would need a monster to 4-bet shove. Speaking of those behind, they all have shoving stacks, so flatting opens the door for a squeeze. Also, UTG looks to be loose-passive over the history you have, so the fact UTG is opening may mean he has something. If one of the shorter stacks shoves (like MP+2 or the blinds), and it folds to me i would call. I would probably sigh-fold to a bigger shove. You would still have ~16BB left and covering most of the table and the final table bubble.
Another suggestion could be 3-bet shove yourself. Not sure i like that as much as 3-betting since there are a lot of others to act behind you but you have all but UTG covered so it isn't the worst play. You would probably be flipping if called by anyone.
Once again, I'm not a pro so looking forward to feedback.
TPE Pro
August 25, 2012
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I think it all depends on whether your opponent is likely to believe you to be capable of bluffing if you 3bet small here. If so, you can 3bet small and expect to get some value from worse hands. If not, I think shoving is likely to be the best play here, since 3betting small is likely to look too strong.
Of course, your opponent seems to be fairly passive in general, so perhaps 3betting small would get you flatted more often. However, you don't want to risk giving him a chance to flat a 3bet with hands like 99 or AQ here if you think he might call a shove with them, since you also end up losing value there too. I think all in all I prefer shoving with 21bb here. With 23bb or more, I think I'd just 3bet.
August 21, 2014
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For me it was a weired spot.
I 3-Bet shoved an got called from the BB and lost that race.
He shows up A8o.
Thank's for your replies.
Markus
February 2, 2015
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Also not a pro so there are likely many flaws in my game currently, but I think you definitely made the right decision if he was willing to call the shove with A8o. It was just a bad result this time. Look at it this way, against A8o you will double up 72% of the time and are now the chipleader at your table.
On top of that, there is literally no range he could have that includes A8o and against which you are not the favorite (probably a minimum of 60% favored to win). ICM may play a small role, but being so far from final table I think you ignore it and go for the +cEV spots like this that put you in position to bink it.
I like the shove over the 3-bet here because I think a 3-bet is less likely to isolate than a shove. A 3-bet could get flatted by one of the other players behind and then flatted by UTG which leaves you OOP in a multi-way pot with a strong hand that's not likely to improve and oftentimes facing overcards on flop (I feel like this happens to me too often). Also, if a short stack 4-bet shoves and UTG calls or re-shoves are you folding then?
It's a tough spot, but you are likely holding the best hand, facing a raise from a loose-passive big stack that is likely willing to call with weaker hands and numerous short stacks that could spaz call with weaker hands. A shove also causes many of the weaker broadway hands to fold that you would be flipping against.
August 21, 2014
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My 3-Bet would be 4.5 BB's. So when one of the big stacks behind me 4-Bets i would fold and hoping to find a spot to get my 17 BB's rest in.
If it is not a turbo tourney i probably would play like that, but in a turbo the blinds are raising to fast.
January 20, 2014
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I would just shove it in at this point. If I'm reading your stats correctly on the villain it says 30/10.34/7.14 – but that's only over 30 hands. Not a big enough sample. Just shove in your 21bb. If you had 25bb I think you could make a case for 3betting less than a shove. But not with 21bb.
Thanks for the post!
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