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What to do with JJ facing a limp min re-raise?
Vstrom
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May 10, 2012 - 5:19 am
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This is my first time posting a hand in the forum so be easy :D. Table has been pretty quiet, no specific reads. … I realize raising outta the bb against 5 limpers may not be the best option, but given how I played the hand, whats the best line once I get re-raised?.

 

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50/t100 Blinds + t10 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

UTG+1: BB = 45.8, t4575
UTG+2: BB = 43.8, t4380
MP1: BB = 54.7, t5470
MP2: BB = 32.8, t3280
CO: BB = 136.3, t13625
BTN: BB = 58.4, t5840
Hero (SB): BB = 42.0, t4205
BB: BB = 25.9, t2585
UTG: BB = 54.5, t5445

Pre Flop: (t240) Hero is SB with J of diamonds J of hearts
UTG calls t100, UTG+1 calls t100, UTG+2 calls t100, 3 folds, BTN calls t100, Hero raises to t700, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls t600, UTG+2 raises to t1300, BTN calls t1200, Hero?

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May 10, 2012 - 11:47 am
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Well, i do note somethings: 

 

1 – There is no antes yet, blinds 50/100 and everybody is deep, so keep that in mind. 

2 – 700 with jacks? that dont make any sence, with aces or kings it makes absolute sense, even queens, u dont want to play big pairs 4-5 handed, with AK i would make a raise 3xbb maximum, hopping to take 1-2 players off (i dont think i would, on that stakes, donks dont give a f***) but also building the pot if i hit big on the flop.
Jacks i would just limp behind and hope to hit a set on the flop and play a big pot, but if the flop comes as good as u can possible hope for jacks, something like 832rain, then i would like to play a big pot against those donks, if they hit that flop with A8s,K8s, J8s, 98s, i do think they would never fold. In higher stakes i would just play it cautiously OP and fold to any big action.

But now, since u screwed up with the jacks, and the action comes to u with a 4200$ pot, u have 3500$ behind, so the pot is just to big for u to call and hope for hit a set or a friendly flop, Its a JAM or FOLD situation, and with that kind of action, i would just fold … i cant see where my jacks is good here, the UTG2 has to have a monster, he limped something pretty big hopping for someone make exactly the play u made, hes range is something like QQ+/AK, i do think u`re ahead of BTN calling range, but u`re definitively behind UTG2. 

Fold is the best line.  

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May 10, 2012 - 12:39 pm
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Early stages – I like to think of Js and 10s as 7s or 8s and use them to set mine.  When the stacks get shallower (<20BBs), look to get it in with this hand.

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May 10, 2012 - 9:47 pm
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I think you're off ownednutz. If you're going to raise only to 3x after all of these players limped, there's really no reason any of them are going to fold. I really like what I hear recently from pros and instructors and books that you need to stay consistent and not vary by hand strength.

 

However, I don't think you can be raising here since you aren't that deep. Isn't it taught to go +1 for each limper? If we go that high, you're sort of spewing when someone goes limp/reraise because you really have to fold not having enough chips to properly set mine (unless you assume you're good and able to shove for value against one person, two people, whatever). 

 

Given what you did, I think you should just get out of the way since we don't really have an idea on what everyone is doing and you don't want to bust this early when you can keep playing with 35blinds. It's likely at least 2 of the 3 people in this hand (after you're out) will be all in on the flop just because of how big this pot will be relative to stacks. I'm assuming utg is calling, which is probably safe to assume. Your hand just doesn't play well against 3 others.

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May 10, 2012 - 10:35 pm
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shove, you beat a back raising range of 77-JJ and flip with a ton of stuff with dead money in the middle. plus limp/call hands are never ahead of you. I get this in pretty quickly

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May 10, 2012 - 10:37 pm
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also limping behind is bad imo, raise for value against limpers since so much worse calls. set mining with JJ is bad since noone has a strong enough range to make sure you get paid off.

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May 11, 2012 - 1:16 am
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Well, the pot has about 20% of my stake right? 

If i gonna do something here pre flop, is JAM with jacks or AK, never raising, on that stakes u get called by much worse, even AJ/AQ.

But i dont play that stakes anymore so …
It mite be -EV to just raise 3x with AK on that spot, or just limp behind with jacks, but why i gonna play a big pot, OP with no antes and 42bigs? 

See, if i have 18-22bigs i would TOTALLY JAM. 

 

I have pros to support my play here on that spot, but yeah …  i tried to use my point of view … 2$ tournament jamming is a good move on that spot. 

Damn u mite get called by 78s =) 

 

senatorjht08 said:

I think you’re off ownednutz. If you’re going to raise only to 3x after all of these players limped, there’s really no reason any of them are going to fold. I really like what I hear recently from pros and instructors and books that you need to stay consistent and not vary by hand strength.

 

However, I don’t think you can be raising here since you aren’t that deep. Isn’t it taught to go +1 for each limper? If we go that high, you’re sort of spewing when someone goes limp/reraise because you really have to fold not having enough chips to properly set mine (unless you assume you’re good and able to shove for value against one person, two people, whatever). 

 

Given what you did, I think you should just get out of the way since we don’t really have an idea on what everyone is doing and you don’t want to bust this early when you can keep playing with 35blinds. It’s likely at least 2 of the 3 people in this hand (after you’re out) will be all in on the flop just because of how big this pot will be relative to stacks. I’m assuming utg is calling, which is probably safe to assume. Your hand just doesn’t play well against 3 others.

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