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September 14, 2014
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#Game No : 703343540 ***** 888poker Hand History for Game 703343540 ***** $500/$1,000 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** Tournament #64462736 $1.15 + $0.15 - Table #30 9 Max (Real Money) Seat 3 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: drowningfish ( $10,058 ) Seat 2: london_ace ( $43,029 ) Seat 3: conorsid ( $22,113 ) Seat 4: X200MEH ( $10,692 ) Seat 5: queenofpkr09 ( $19,750 ) Seat 6: EDUARDOVITAL ( $11,635 ) Seat 7: Mefisto67 ( $16,888 ) Seat 9: zacatac14 ( $7,675 ) Seat 10: DKDOFFICIAL ( $305 ) drowningfish posts ante [$125] london_ace posts ante [$125] conorsid posts ante [$125] queenofpkr09 posts ante [$125] Mefisto67 posts ante [$125] zacatac14 posts ante [$125] EDUARDOVITAL posts ante [$125] X200MEH posts ante [$125] DKDOFFICIAL posts ante [$125] X200MEH posts small blind [$500] queenofpkr09 posts big blind [$1,000] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to london_ace [ K:diamod:, Q] EDUARDOVITAL folds Mefisto67 folds zacatac14 folds DKDOFFICIAL folds drowningfish folds london_ace raises [$2,000] conorsid calls [$2,000] X200MEH folds queenofpkr09 calls [$1,000] ** Dealing flop ** [ 7
, T
] queenofpkr09 checks london_ace checks conorsid checks ** Dealing turn ** [ 4
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reads - V has not been active , i've not seen anything out of line.
My plan was to c/r shove flop , but it checked through , v took a small stab on the turn , i raised him up and on the river they make a mini bet.
would u guys cosider shoving as a bluff or just folding?
January 28, 2013
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How did the villain play against your raise on the turn?
Has the 5h on the river changed the board considerably?
Considering the above questions, will they call your bluff raise here alot?
September 14, 2014
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Umm, Villian just calls my turn raise , i'm pretty sure they've got marginal hands in their range , I'm not sure how often they will be calling my bluff on the river though…certain that our bluffing range should be wide in this spot.
January 28, 2013
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What makes you certain that our bluff range should be wide here?
I disagree. Our value range is quite narrow and villain seems loose passive.
September 14, 2014
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im certain hero's bluffing range should be wide because villians range is extremly weak, they' are trying to get to showdown for cheap ,and i'm not allowing that.
January 28, 2013
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Whilst villains range is probably extremely weak, the question is how much of this range they are going to fold on the river.
Seeing as the villain seems to not give you credit with the turn raise we should not really be jamming this river that wide considering they will probably not fold any of their Tx or Jx. Their range can also be quite better than this with random 2prs and sets. Against the most unlikely part of their range of non-paired flush draws we are probably ahead and a bluff raise is not necessary.
September 14, 2014
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I agree and that makes sense , thanks for your comment 🙂
January 28, 2013
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No problem.
Its also interesting to note that whilst our bluffing range is not that wide, we can probably widen our value range since villain does not seem to give us credit. We could probably go as wide as some weaker 2prs (T7s, J7 etc). If you are even opening these in this spot.
September 14, 2014
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also given that we opened from the BTN our range of hands are going to be percieved wide , so i think it's less unlikely for our bluff to be profitable. Raising the turn was good but when v called i think it's okay to shutdown on our bluff like u said its unlikely they are going to fold jx i agree totally, but my bluff target was Tx , and i think they should be folding those….
however given that they called my raise on the turn it's unlikely that they've only got Tx in their range so yeah i can see folding is correct here.
September 14, 2014
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yeah , i could value own this guy lol
January 28, 2013
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They can still have a fair few Tx in their range as some of these will be 2pair and combo draws. If villain is a decent hand reader he will know that multiway you arent going to be checking back top pair often and your most likely holding here is probably low PPs (22-66, 88, 99) or a Tx yourself.
For what its worth I like a cbet here as we can respresent some runouts when we miss and we have 2 overcards with an OESD on a flop that doesnt have any flushdraws.
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