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January 4, 2011 - 11:38 pm
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Ok so villian in the hand is running a 88/31 he is alll over the place. I have been running into these types of players a lot latley. Think I should have shut it down after the bullet on the flop but was trying to rep the big Ace just didnt work out. Any thoughts?  🙁

 

 Poker Stars $4.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50/t100 Blinds – 8 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

yzbrad (UTG+1): t1320 13.20 BBs
zburatorul2 (MP1): t8130 81.30 BBs
dlognittam (MP2): t5175 51.75 BBs
alemaozl (CO): t9850 98.50 BBs
Dacoach7 (BTN): t3715 37.15 BBs
$roklimoXJ$ (SB): t3690 36.90 BBs
Hero (BB): t7295 72.95 BBs
Viorel50 (UTG): t1945 19.45 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with T of hearts T of clubs
2 folds, zburatorul2 calls t100, 3 folds, $roklimoXJ$ calls t50, Hero raises to t600, zburatorul2 calls t500, 1 fold

Flop: (t1300) Q of diamonds 5 of diamonds A of spades (2 players)
Hero bets t700, zburatorul2 calls t700

Turn: (t2700) 8 of clubs (2 players)
Hero bets t1200, zburatorul2 calls t1200

River: (t5100) 3 of hearts (2 players)
Hero checks, zburatorul2 bets t5630 all in, Hero folds

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January 5, 2011 - 2:30 pm
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A with a maniac like that at your table your 10-10 is like A-A. I 3-bet get it in pre-flop here regardless of how many BB's we have and even if he 4-bet shoves, considering his image. I go to the felt with this one considering his redic wide range of hands he's playing pre-flop.

I think the mistake here was not 3-betting preflop IMO. You would have alot more information to base your post-flop play on if you had done so.

gl sir 🙂

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January 5, 2011 - 2:54 pm
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yo meta, i think u misread the post:)

 

i think ur line is fine vs villian. villain likely flopped some random rag ace. he could've even floppd or turned two pr. it confuses me on his river shove tho. makes me wander of some desparate attempt to take pot after missing FD or gutter or maybe he had a solid read on u???????

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January 5, 2011 - 3:42 pm
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Yeah…Meta you definitely misread. Villian was a limper and with the stats you have on him basically any two cards are in his range.

 

I think your 6x bet pre with one limper is a big mistake and completely unecessary. I know you are deep but you are basically playing your hand face up with a bet like that. It says, “I have a strong medium pair and I want both limpers to fold now so they dont outflop me.” Dont be so predictable and dont waste unnecessary chips.

 

Second…your stats on this guy say he never really folds. I say we 4x pre which is pretty standard with one limper and it is sure to get the SB to fold and isolate. Flop sucks but with a 4x bet pre an A is much more likely in your range. Cbet half pot and if he calls it is not that hard to shut it down, you have much less invested and a crap A or Q is definitely in his range.

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Meh. TT is still tough to play postflop out of position against someone playing nearly every hand and calling nearly every bet. You could 3 barrel a J high board to realize he played J7, etc.

The point I'm getting at is you have the right idea to value raise and value bet the crap out of him but I'd just wait and do it to him in position.

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January 5, 2011 - 3:45 pm
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hawkeyeK9 said:

I think your 6x bet pre with one limper is a big mistake and completely unecessary. I know you are deep but you are basically playing your hand face up with a bet like that. 


Not sure I agree. These types of players are usually playing their own 2. If I saw stats like that and had a read that he never folds to a preflop raise I'd probably also raise to 500 or 600 with KK and AA to  build a pot right away.

I think it's being out of position that's the biggest mistake here – we can easily wait and valuetown him in position all day.

I'd keep this particular pot on the smaller side because of how many flops that will make TT tough to play OOP.

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Thanx for the input everyone. When I started the hand I was thinking along the line that FKCoolers talks about, I thought I was going to value town but playing OP against him was a def mistake. The same player knocked me out of the tourney when I 9x AKo OP with 2 limpers and his T7 got there. I am curious if people have been running into players like this in the micro stakes? Thnx again.

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Lately I grind 90 Man KO's so I run into them every day. My plan never changes – figure out the most I can raise pre and still get them to peel a flop. Proceed to bet large amounts on every street if they are just as call happy post-flop.

If they are passive post-flop I switch to rope-a-dope style and go bet/check/bet usually – smaller amounts than I use against the stations.

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