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What Do Good Pplayers Do here? AK from UTG= FUN for All!
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March 6, 2015 - 9:01 pm
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WSOP Circuit Event – $1675 Entry Fee

Blinds: 100/200/25
Stacks: Hero has 14k – V1 has 20k – V3 Covers

V1: 45 yr old white guy. Seems to be playing TAG. Relevant hand. I saw him play a hand with a similar board very aggressively from OOP. He Check raised at one point and got called down. Opponent had AK for TPTK and V looked disgusted and mucked.

V2: Young LAG Asian kid who is playing a lot of hands and getting lucky. plays kinda recklessly.

Hero Image: TAG.

Pre-Flop: Hero raises to 500 from UTG with AKo. V1 calls from UTG+2. V2 calls from BB.
Pot= 1800
Flop: 237ss
V2 checks. Hero BETS $1000. V1 calls. V2 folds.

Pot= 3800
Turn: Kc. Hero bets 2200. V1 asks to see my stack (which I show and had 9500 left). V1 Min Raises to 4400.

Pot= 12600
River: 4c. Hero Checks. V1 bets 5k.

I’d really like to know what your thought process on this hand might and/ or if I made any errors, IYO, at ANY POINT.

Thanks much

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This is an interesting hand, tough spot.

 

I like the way you played the hand with everything shown here.  You might raise a tad more being in EP with a strong hand.  Maybe 525 or 550.  I think we are splitting hairs here though.  I like your lead on the flop, sizing looks good to me, just over half pot.  The only one it's likely to hit is the asian kid and when he folds you know it didn't hit him.  When you spike your King on the turn you continue betting a little over half pot with what is likely the best hand – I like it.  Now he min raises you.

 

What could that mean?  What range did you put him on at this point?  Would he do that with a pair lower than Kings?  Would he do that with a set?  If he's a TAG, then we can eliminate all 2pair combinations and straight draws, because he wouldn't call your UTG PFR with those hands.  Would he min raise here with a pair lower than Kings?  He would probably have raised your bet on the flop with 88-QQ.  Would he do that with a set?  If he is getting tricky he might.  But what set makes sense here?  Prob only 777 and KKK, and you have a blocker to KKK.

 

I'm assuming 237ss means that there are 2 spades on the board.  What hands could he call your bet here with on the flop, knowing that there is one loose guy left to act behind him?  Maybe the flush draw … AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, KsQs, KsJs, or some other flush draw we are not thinking of.  I think his flop bet and min raise on the turn would make sense with those hands.

 

I like your check on the river.  You are allowing him a chance to bluff with his busted draws, and you don't want to get check raised off your hand.  When you check the river, if he has one of the semi bluffs that missed, he has to bet.  If he has KsQs or KsJs he is probably value betting.  And if he has KKK or 777 he is betting.  With this range you beat more hands than are beating you, I would call here.

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Yeah this min raise threw me a bit. I did begin to consider narrow his range at this point to 22,33,77,AKss,KQ,ss,KJ,ss,KTss. I did not thing ke would turn up with KK as I saw him 3 bet eariler with premium. So I was thinking, if I call this do I call a bet on river. And I supposed Id have to.

This is where my game, or maybe its a confidence thing, gets tangled. In spots like this, if I can put him on that range above then I am basically drawing dead to like 70% of his range, only beating less than 25% and chopping to the AK (and he even has 9 out freeroll here). So it kind of felt like a fold…But then I thought how NITTY and exploitable is it if I fold AK to every TAG guy that min raises me on a turn. It felt like a bad play to fold here…but I dont know…and then if I call here I felt committed on the river. BUt by this point I lost control of the hand and my brain was no longer wrapped around it.

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You said V1 seems to be playing TAG , so this makes me want to Check flop , I just don't think you're getting enough folds when you make this C-bet.

 

as played bet turn , i still think we can get value from hands like 88/99/TT/JJ/QQ and draws. Turn is a weird spot when v mini raises , would they play a set this way? maybe..they may also be mini raising with flush draws like AspadeQspade

 

otr the 4 really does not change much , i just dont think he's going to have A5s or 56s in his range , the only hand which i'd be worried about would be 77/KK/AA , though aa-kk would likely be 3-bet pre , hes also going also going to bet otr with there missed draws too, Though there sizing seems really small/value ish otr.

 

Tough spot , I'd call river.

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He just check raised, and he lost to TPTK and looked disgusted by it…what is the appearance he is overly TAG at that point?  

 

How about Suited Kx hands that may have came along…or couldn't he just be using the K as a scare card?

 

I'm calling to induce that disgusted look again.

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March 8, 2015 - 6:22 pm
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More information as to our relevant suits would be useful.

 

I agree with cuzican. Villain is not overly TAG if he c/r then gets called down and loses to TPTK imo. I call river given how he has played previously.

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