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Weird cash game hand, AKA I hate straddles
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September 2, 2016 - 10:51 am
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Im usually a tournament player however when my friends go to the casino I like to play some cash games. This is from a 0.50/1 game but there were 3 bloody straddles. So the blinds were 0.50/1/2/4/8 and I was then utg, I wake up with AQs one of my most profitable and least favourite hands I make it £30 to go also worth noting I have about £120 behind. After this raise, then utg plus one raises to £150. It folds around to me and I have to chose whether to call or fold to this shove, after a tank I fold. Could anyone with a little live cash experience give me some pointers on this hand. FYI when I later left the table he told me he had KK I’m not sure I believe him but it’s what he said.

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I’d fold here but reads/situation would be important. If my math is right, you need 38% equity to make this call. Giving V a range of AA-66, AK-AQ, KQs, you are 42.5% so thats a call. But thats kinda wide for V to shove, I’m assuming he’s kinda spazzy and going for the straddles. Tighter and could be a fold. My 2c, I’m folding.

If my math is off please correct me TPE. Thx

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I would guess that because every pot has so much dead money in it that it makes this an easier fold. That’s because the percentage of money you would win that’s involuntarily put in the pot is higher than if it were just .50/1.

I probably would have called absent any reads, but I think the fold makes even more sense in a game with that many straddles. People generally don’t play *better* if there are straddles. AQs is still a good hand, though.

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September 3, 2016 - 7:01 pm
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Joel- Im confused by your answer..wouldn’t more dead money in the pot make it MORE of a call, and widen the shovers range?

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September 4, 2016 - 5:53 pm
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Hey Radriguez, i have heard the term straddle in cash games…what does it mean? Btw I am not being a dick I am not a mod but maybe this is better suited to cash game forum?

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If every hand has this straddle, then I would say no. Stack to pot ratio will always be artificially lower because of the straddle, which takes a lot of hands out of your range. The suitedness of your hand is less exciting when you have “fewer” big blinds.

And yeah this should be moved to the cash forum. I didn’t notice because I just click on new posts when I get here.

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September 4, 2016 - 11:18 pm
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I would probably fold here since people tend to be huge nits when it comes to 3-betting in live games, but I think shoving preflop is pretty much mandatory since you’re basically playing 4/8 with a ~18bb stack and big antes in play. I much prefer that to raise-folding or raise-calling, since there’s a pretty good likelihood people will have really bad calling ranges versus that shove anyway.

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It’s like Radriguez said: calculate your pot odds and then see what your equity looks like against a variety of shoving ranges. You might find this helpful: …..os-part-1/.

Why on earth would you hate people putting money into the pot blind? If you don’t want your seat in that game, I’ll take it!

And yes, more money in pot = higher EV for both raising and calling and ranges should be wider.

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If this cash game is a normal situation, I’d recommend using something like Excel or ICMIZER to study 20bb stack situations, because you’ll find that a lot of your opponents won’t know it at all. 

 

I can remember a straddle situation at 1/2/5 where I limped the sb AQo fully expecting a ton of $5 limps, a straddle squeeze, and then a rip. I expected the straddler to have a really wide range and according to experience and more importantly, Andrew/Nate discussing straddles with Carlos on the Coaching Carlos podcast series. However, the straddler tanked for a while and then folded AK face up. I’m guessing the overfolds come from opponents having set hands that can get all in for $100 or $200 or whatever, but don’t know how to look at it in a broader text, like 20bb vs 50bb or 40bb vs 100bb.

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September 15, 2016 - 11:19 pm
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hey jshark- i dont use ICMizer but I thought that was for tourney play. Am I wrong? Also,  the positions are a little confusing in your example but I can’t believe folding AK there is ever a good idea. weird.

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September 16, 2016 - 8:19 am
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Rad, ICMIZER is a pivot table, if that makes any sense. It’s calculating the EV of shoving a hand or calling a hand based on the parameters you set up. Because it’s usually used for writing out trees of short stack all in situations, and you’re not going to be shoving 100bb over an open or anything, there isn’t much value in thinking about it for cash. However, when the straddle is in effect, you have a short stack. The game is still played the same, and you’re still calculating chip EV. Put in the range you think is limping a straddle, then calling the shoves, etc. ICMIZER will tell you the EV of each hand. 

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September 16, 2016 - 8:21 am
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That AQo and AK hand was sometime last summer, in Florida. I call $5, three others call $5, btn makes it $25, I shove $100, fold fold fold tank show AK fold. like I don’t know. It definitely told me that that guy was NOT going to be a light squeezer and I needed to work on my player profiles.

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