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We 3bet AKo in pos and whiff flop, how do you handle vs good aggro opponent...
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November 1, 2010 - 12:25 am
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Let's assume pre antes, effective stacks are 40bb, opponent covers us but barely. MP good aggro reg raises and we 3bet our usual size on the CO with AKo. We miss the flop. Against an opponent who you know will aggressive check raise semi bluff you with draws, pairs + gutters, etc how often and on what boards are you checking back here? Or are you just always making your usual cbet to protect the times we have AA/KK etc and want to get it in?

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November 1, 2010 - 8:29 am
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super early, pre antes dont see y we cant fold to chk raise. we're in no hurry to prove to him who's boss. later in tournys when antes and blinds are high then we can push our ak ,aq and prem prs to the limits against such villian dependant upon flop texture. as we get to the later stages of tourny play, there are moves that we have  to add in our bag of tricks to keep the super agg villian under control. their range is super light so our ak aq hands can be playd very aggressively. plays i like to use against the super agg whether strong or light, is the 3bet shove pre, stop-n-go, chk raise all in, floating any flop and jamming/chk shoving any turns. key is to put the pressure back on them. their range is so light that even if we get picked off on one of our moves, a ton of times we still have outs to the best hand. have them to always have the tough decisions to make instead of it always being us or folding when we're being pushed.

 

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Early on I play AK like a drawing hand, so if I miss the flop and he checks to me, I am taking the free card 100% of the time. You can easily re-evaluate on the turn. If he improves his hand on the turn and we continue to whiff, then you get away with nothing else invested in the hand.

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November 1, 2010 - 11:52 am
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I flat AK in spots like this to avoid awkward post-flop spots.

If your opponent is tricky/good I feel like they can assign you a hand like this and outplay you on a low or coordinated board which is also somewhat likely to hit them.

Maybe that's flawed strategy on my part but I've been having some good luck with flatting hands like AKo and AQs and getting a lot of chips from lesser hands because they don't expect a flat with such a strong holding.

And if you miss the flop and they c-bet you can flat in position and maybe take it away on a later street by representing something or even hitting one of your cards.

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November 1, 2010 - 7:52 pm
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Bet the flop. I would rather make a mistake by being too agressive than not being aggressive enough.

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November 1, 2010 - 10:04 pm
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I think board texture plays a huge role in spots like this. If they are a good thinking reg and knows we are c-betting almost our whole 3 bet pre range than it makes it easier to check raise the flops that we are likely to have missed. It also makes it easier to float us (provided they want to float OOP) I don't mind taking a free card, i dont think it essentially turns our hand over.

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November 1, 2010 - 10:54 pm
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Good replies, interesting to see the vast difference in people's approaches!

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November 2, 2010 - 4:33 am
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flat pre 🙂

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random_chu said:

flat pre 🙂


 

Ooh so sneaky 😛

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November 2, 2010 - 7:24 pm
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if the opponent is as aggressive as you describe, then i prefer the 3b PF as we give him the chance to 4bet light.

 

also, if he's as aggressive as described, then i'd feel pretty comfortable checking back and bluff-catching certain textures, folding others. it's kind of hard to expand on that without an example and it's going to depend some on timing and sizing, etc.

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for some reason i just cannot bring myself to flat AK most of the time. maybe i should try sometimes. i do like the deception of it though, because people are very much more likely to stack off with KQ on a K board or AJ on a A board if you have not 3bet them preflop. 

 

interesting, might have to try it soemtimes. 

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i think flatting pre with AK is a big mistake if you ever want to 3-bet light somewhat often.  If you flat hands like JJ-QQ and AK, you super polarize your three betting hands.  You will get tons of credit the first time you 3-bet, so say you pick up aces soon, if you flat AK, they will assume it's only KK or AA when you 3-bet the first time and fold QQ and under +AK.  If you start trying to 3-bet steal, people will mercilessly 4-bet you because if your value range is only AA-KK then your range is so heavily weighted towards bluffs that they can 4-bet fold profitably, forcing you to 5-bet light if you want to collect chips.  I always take a note of people who flat AK pre, and 99% of the time they don't 3-bet light ever, and only 3-bet AA and KK.  This is something you don't want to be, because the only time you are getting 40bbs in against anyone competent is when you have AA and they have KK(and they will feel kinda bad about getting it in).  Anyway that's my rant on opening up your range, because when you increase your value range, you will be able to 3-bet steal more often.  And yeah as for post flop i agree with HC.  Check call certain textures, like Q84, J23, stuff that they are betting a lot, but only catches a small part of their range, then give up to more resistance.

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