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WCOOP #44 Allin or fold
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September 20, 2010 - 11:09 pm
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This was right before a break, a lot of people to go through but I've been a total nit and getting mostly folds when i do raise 

 

Poker Stars $300 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t350/t700 Blinds + t85 – 8 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

DrArpadElo (SB): BB = 100.4, t70292
anybodybut17 (BB): BB = 15.8, t11045
gnat777 (UTG): BB = 114.0, t79771
HERO (UTG+1): BB = 13.7, t9570
mad-dog878 (MP1): BB = 16.8, t11755
FeelinGuilty (MP2): BB = 24.6, t17188
utvekklo2 (CO): BB = 116.2, t81313
westmenloAA (BTN): BB = 70.7, t49517

Pre Flop: (t1730) Hero is UTG+1 with K of clubs J of spades
1 fold, HERO Allin or fold?

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September 21, 2010 - 12:48 am
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shove!! u have a couple big stacks that def can widen their calling range but u have more shorty's that cant and must wake up with hand to call off 13BB. the fact ur shoving from EP looks strong too so i shove here.

 

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September 21, 2010 - 9:47 am
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Its close hate trying to get KJo all the way around being utg+1. However I think we can shove maybe someone will give us credit for a hand. When do the blinds go up???

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September 21, 2010 - 12:25 pm
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There was about 10 mins left in the level to commence after break. They were small blind jumps next level may have been something like 400/800 or possibly 450/900

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September 21, 2010 - 12:32 pm
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I would jam the 13bb's. The two cats in MP are the most concerning but all of the rest of the stacks are nice and large so good chance they open up and you get a nice double up. I the table has been respecting your raises and folding to you, might as well take the opportunity with a solid holding. Could consider back to back as well to see if you can rep a ton of strength and try a double steal to improve your position prior to the blinds going up.

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September 21, 2010 - 12:50 pm
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looks like go time but i expect you to be called there was a couple of hardcore cats at your table that will def. snap you light. but you got to put that in glgl.

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Yes it was a pretty sick table, it was hard to find spots to open raise at all.

I did expect a call from either the button or sb who were in most pots and beating the **** out of people.

The big blind woke up with aces…..

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September 21, 2010 - 4:01 pm
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I'd rather wait till I can jam in later position, even if the blinds go through me again.

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September 21, 2010 - 4:27 pm
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Its only 8 handed, so its like shoving UTG+2 at a 9 handed table. 

You will only be in bad shape against JJ+, AK, AQ, AJ and KQ; you have a 27% equity against that range.

A lone opponent will be dealt one of those hands 5.3% of the time; in your scenario, there's 6 persons still left to act after you, so its a 31.8% probability (about 1/3) that you get call and have to pray the gods of poker to suck out!

Some could argue that KQ is not in the calling range of some opponents, but even there, I think your M (=6.3) is too high for risking a shove here.

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September 21, 2010 - 4:40 pm
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swet1 said:

Yes it was a pretty sick table, it was hard to find spots to open raise at all.

I did expect a call from either the button or sb who were in most pots and beating the **** out of people.

The big blind woke up with aces…..


Meh… I always get pissed off at these types of tables when I can't find any spots to open.

Part of me wants to open shove here just because we finally get a chance but I feel like we get called a TON and I don't want that.

At a table this active I'd be tempted to fold and wait for something like 89s or JTs and then see if I can re-ship and get called in 2 spots to take a shot at a triple up.

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September 21, 2010 - 4:44 pm
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I'd fold and wait…..don't forget it's a WCOOP with 20 min levels and a really really slow structure…..def think we can find a better spot then this

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September 21, 2010 - 5:58 pm
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Cougars4444 said:

I'd fold and wait…..don't forget it's a WCOOP with 20 min levels and a really really slow structure…..def think we can find a better spot then this


 

I was aware of the slow blind levels. My thinking was to avoid blinding down to the point of having no FE and maybe getting multiple callers in another spot later on. I'm definitely hoping for folds when pushing in this spot or at worst one caller.

I had been kinda weak/tight up to this point and figured I needed to grow a pair and double up at some point. Everyone always says 'push for top 3 in mtt's' so
I decided to take a shot…. I do see merit in both sides of the debate.

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September 23, 2010 - 1:25 pm
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a couple years ago it was a def. shove.

 

Now I lean towards fold.

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