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Poker Stars $3.00+$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t50 – 9 players
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facacek007 (BTN): BB = 13.9, t8318
waterbee174 (SB): BB = 77.5, t46512
Hero (BB): BB = 33.5, t20129
morriestreet (UTG): BB = 44.7, t26835
marcemagic44 (UTG+1): BB = 17.6, t10580
ctapyxa999 (UTG+2): BB = 23.6, t14184
GoniKapustu (MP1): BB = 97.4, t58421
Hootz11 (MP2): BB = 37.3, t22400
bogdann1982 (CO): BB = 41.5, t24904
Pre Flop: (t1350) Hero is BB with 5
6
7 folds, waterbee174 calls t300, Hero checks
Flop: (t1650) 4 2
9 (2 players)
waterbee174 bets t970, Hero raises to t2397, waterbee174 calls t1427
Turn: (t6444) 2
(2 players)
waterbee174 checks, Hero checks
River: (t6444) Q
(2 players)
waterbee174 bets t3344, Hero folds
This villain and i had played a big hand 2 hands prior where i 3bet his UTG raise w AJo and i was forced to fold after he check call, check raised a K high turn.. i had a loose image for the most part of the tourney. Up until that point he had been playing pretty snug but i feel like he was sick of me @ some point and decided to play back at me when i 3bet him UTG.
When he open limps here i actually thought he was trying to trap.. i dont usually let limpers off light even with a hand like 65s but i checked behind for this reason and my hand plays well in position HU.
This flops pretty gold for me.. i tried to raise get it in but for some reason when he calls and i miss turn i shut down for the free river..
Was this weak?
I think giving up here is fine bro. Your read is that he’s willing to take marginal stands vs you at the moment, and you even suspect he may have been trapping pre. The 2 on the turn is a complete brick, and will be viewed as such. So given all that, i’m more than happy to take the free one on the turn.
I suppose if you felt like being a sicko you could maybe raise the river if you suspect he’s bluffing with a busted draw himself, but you’re really not repping anything, and chances are he’ll be willing to call you down very light if he has any piece of it.
I think you played it fine bro, “being weak” is sometimes the superior play.
On a side note, how do you think his range reacts to your raise on the flop? If he’s betting for value, he’s never folding, and we will be able to use our position to play this spot very profitably in the long term. Seems good.
What about his draws and air range though? Unless you’re expecting him to 3bet you on the flop so you can just jam, I think might prefer flatting his lead here. Our equity is pretty terrible vs almost all his draws which are never folding, and I for one don’t want him just folding his air on the flop when we have such a strong hand in position vs a player who is looking for an excuse to give us chips. Sure we can take the 2620 chip pot down now uncontested, and there’s no doubt that that’s going to be a profitable play. But there’s so much more value when we’re this deep in trying to just hit our hand and then get our 20K stack in with massive equity vs his range.
Since you 3bet the flop, I think it is necessary to continue the semi-bluff on the turn. Showing weakness on the turn is transparent that u raised with flush draw on flop IMO.
I like just flatting the flop because it gives you more options on turn because he could slow down and u could semi-bluff turn or get more value when u hit. He has a big stack so is more likely to call on the flop but people get more uncomfortable on later streets.
I don't think it's a good idea to raise this flop just because you have a flush draw. You are repping a flush draw here and nothing else almost 100% of the time. If the flop was something like QT7, 2 diamonds, I think
a raise is so much more effective. With that type flop, you could rep so many combos of str/d's, fl/d's, tp, 2p hands. And there will be a ton of cards on the turn that should concern your opp even if he's a slightly thinking one.
And with the latter flop, my plan after raising would be to bet turn shove river no matter what cards came. Even if you missed your diamond be the river, you can still be repping a QT or Q7 effectively.
As played, betting the turn would be pointless after no diamond came and you can't rep anything else. He's got a big stack and he did call your flop raise. I don't think he's ever folding to a bet on a non-diamond turn.
When hu, if you bet the turn, you usually should also be betting the river – unless you're bluff-catching or ch'ing to induce.
July 3, 2010
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Whatever he called with on the flop, he won't fold on the turn. Raising isn't horrible, nor is checking back the Turn. To bluff you need to be able to represent things and blind vs. blind spots play differently than any other dynamic at the table. People just don't fold a pair blind vs. blind.
I think your line is good. If you float he could fire a big second barrel with air or whatever and you'd need to fold a hand that has decent equity.
mmfitter said:
I don't think it's a good idea to raise this flop just because you have a flush draw. You are repping a flush draw here and nothing else almost 100% of the time. If the flop was something like QT7, 2 diamonds, I think
a raise is so much more effective. With that type flop, you could rep so many combos of str/d's, fl/d's, tp, 2p hands. And there will be a ton of cards on the turn that should concern your opp even if he's a slightly thinking one.
And with the latter flop, my plan after raising would be to bet turn shove river no matter what cards came. Even if you missed your diamond be the river, you can still be repping a QT or Q7 effectively.
As played, betting the turn would be pointless after no diamond came and you can't rep anything else. He's got a big stack and he did call your flop raise. I don't think he's ever folding to a bet on a non-diamond turn.
When hu, if you bet the turn, you usually should also be betting the river – unless you're bluff-catching or ch'ing to induce.
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July 3, 2010
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mmfitter said:
I don't think it's a good idea to raise this flop just because you have a flush draw. You are repping a flush draw here and nothing else almost 100% of the time. If the flop was something like QT7, 2 diamonds, I think
a raise is so much more effective. With that type flop, you could rep so many combos of str/d's, fl/d's, tp, 2p hands. And there will be a ton of cards on the turn that should concern your opp even if he's a slightly thinking one.
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We don't raise a lot of these hands pre-flop vs. a SB complete for value?
mmfitter said:
I don't think it's a good idea to raise this flop just because you have a flush draw. You are repping a flush draw here and nothing else almost 100% of the time. If the flop was something like QT7, 2 diamonds, I think
a raise is so much more effective. With that type flop, you could rep so many combos of str/d's, fl/d's, tp, 2p hands. And there will be a ton of cards on the turn that should concern your opp even if he's a slightly thinking one.
And with the latter flop, my plan after raising would be to bet turn shove river no matter what cards came. Even if you missed your diamond be the river, you can still be repping a QT or Q7 effectively.
As played, betting the turn would be pointless after no diamond came and you can't rep anything else. He's got a big stack and he did call your flop raise. I don't think he's ever folding to a bet on a non-diamond turn.
When hu, if you bet the turn, you usually should also be betting the river – unless you're bluff-catching or ch'ing to induce.
Very much this. thumbsup
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