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Was this bad play? (Sorry for long post)
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May 9, 2012 - 12:18 pm
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I had just sat down at one of the SCOOP events and was a NLH $27. The 1st hand i witnessed the blinds were 15/30. Player (A) raises 150 utg+1 every folds round to bb who calls. Flop comes 7 J 7 rainbow, bb checks and the orig raiser raises to 1500 into pot of 255. The bb folds and the raiser shows AJ (i had 78 suited n wished i played). So i thought if i can get into a hand with this player hopefully i can hit a big hand and get some chips.

So blinds were 20/40 and utg player raises to 100, then player (A) min raises to 200, everyone folds to me on the button with 5 7 hearts and thought it could be a good hand to play and if i flop well hopefully pick up some chips or even stack him. So i call, sb and bb fold. The utg raiser 4 bets to 620 & player (A) folds. Theres 1080 in the pot and its only 420 to call and im getting 2 n half to 1 so i call. The flop comes Ad 5s 5d, player c-bets to 680, i call, i did think about re raising but could be a possibility he has aces and im crushed. The turn comes 2s, he checks and i check. The turn comes 4d so now theres straight and flush draws out there which i doubt very much he has. Player checks again and i bet 1257 into pot of 2860, player tank calls with JJ. He then berates me for the play and how bad i am, and i replied saying it was a bad call as everything beats him that im calling the flop with. Then literally ever other player at the table berates me aswell. Was it bad play given my thinking behind calling in the 1st place as i did achieve what i set out for.

 

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May 9, 2012 - 8:32 pm
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moved to MTT strat forum as per guidelines

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May 9, 2012 - 9:35 pm
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overcalling a 3bet is bad as action isnt closing on you and we dont have nearly enough equity agianst ranges to play. calling a 4bet with 57s is bad, you flopped gin, but that wont happen almost ever and you will be check/folding flop. and even then you only got 2 streets post flop.

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May 9, 2012 - 10:23 pm
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Replying to the taunts was the worst play in this story.

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May 10, 2012 - 3:04 am
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Ok thanks guys. Should i have rather been looking at pairs 2 try and set mine rather than suited 1 gapers. I just thought the guy i was hoping to play against was crazy but he actually didnt end up playing in the hand lol.

Spose ill just stay quite in future, if opinions are not valid at the table unless your well known

Cheers

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May 10, 2012 - 10:25 am
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Spotting an apparent aggro fish and targeting him for “chip removal” was a still good plan imo… 🙂

To execute it, you were probably better off having waited for a hand good enough to valuetown him, rarely flatting though,but rather iso-raising to keep others out.

The spot you chose with a one gapper in itself could be beneficial but in this case the pot was 3b already which immediate makes this a rather bad spot to go for with this holding.

BUT, if u still want to go for it (I advise not to unless the UTG raiser is very loose himself and even than ur not deep enough..), I defenitely miss the (min-) isoraise 4b to eg $420 instead of flatting as u might squeeze the original raiser out. (make it a 4b – fold) A reason for flatting might have been your fear that the guy might shove? Playing suited onegappers is easier if you are able to let the hand go if you don't smash the flop or not getting raised.

The final argument against this spot is the fact that you are not deep enough to play the line I outlined above. In itself the line 4b raise-fold to shove is ok at some stages in tourneys but the frequency where you would be able to continue is so low indeed and than you just waisted a big portion of your stack where there are much better opportunities ahead.

So my take in this is that you had a great plan but this was not the way to do it. Valuable insight. Keep playing suited onegappers in unraised pots though, because they are great chipcollectors if you can see the board rather cheaply.

gl in your games!

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I'm with duggs on this one. also, don't talk strategy in the chat. It's a huge leak and I used to do it back when I was losing at poker. If someone berades you for a bad play, you listen to what they have to say, but don't reply.

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