I recently saw a vid where the instructor vehemently stated that even the best grinder's quality of play drops with each table added when multitalbing, due to missing spots and reads. He was also discussing the relatively small difference in skill level between the microstake and high stake mtts online.
I am currently doubling my ABI and reducing my multitable count to 4 tables max. So far the results have been great.
What do the pros think? At what table count do players become buttonclickers.
This is the absolute truth. Find your equilibrium between “Quality” and “Quantity”, otherwise you'll never be more than average at MTTs. There are too many small details that matter in making tough decesions when in a tourney, and just understanding the flow of your table ect. Also, when playing too many games it's tough to have the time to think thru all of your decesions in the way that will be most profitable.
I learned the hard way… 🙂
October 6, 2010
i agree with this in general, although i think that the number varies for each player. some would be able to do 16 easily, some only 6.
SNGs are much easier to mass multitable though becasue there are comparitively less desicions to me made
mmfitter said:
What was the video?
jjyykk vid on a competitor site, he's wise.
Bennymaca, I currently think 6 tables is even too many, and I used to grind 12+ everyday for a couple years. Maybe for starting a session early stages 6-10 is ok, but I really like 4-tabling now. How many betsizing reads are you gonna pick up while 10 tabling. How much OPR research can you do ingame?
Also, US friendly sites have software that isn't conducive to multitalbing. True for example plays faster than Rush poker.
How many tables the are the pros on this site averaging during their sessions?
Andinista, I agree with this completely for several reasons. The obvious being that you can pay attention to the table, players, your own image, gameflow, and even have more time to think about crucial decisions. Another thing for me is that I value my tourney life a little more and by this I don't mean I play nittier just that I can make good folds where as when i'm 6-8 tabling I will make some awful calls bc I know I have 7 more tourneys left after this one.
Daryl Jace was actually talking about this, if you want to get better and move up in stakes you have to play less tables in order to really craft and perfect your style. If you are always mass tabling you will not be trying as many different lines, you won't be fully thinking through hands and you may make some terrible on the spot decisions. If you want to get to higher stakes you have to be very creative and really be able to outhink other players, this will not start to happen if you are constantly 12 tabling at midstakes. I have had much better results since I started doing no more than 4 tables at a time and playing a bit higher ABI. Some players may be great at 8 tablingm but ever since I started playing less tables I've noticed my thought processes are more clear and I'm making much better decisions. Everyone is different though.
Completely depends on what type of games you're playing IMO. If you're playing non-turbos then you want your ROI to be as high as possible, which means it makes sense to drop some tables and maybe only play 6-8 instead of 15+.
However, in turbos there's more or less a ceiling to what your ROI can feasibly be (if you combine the stats of 50-100 of the top MTT regs in the world their ROI in turbos is ~33%), so you basically just need to get in volume in order to overcome the huge amount of variance that exists.
Most people really have no idea about the true nature of MTT variance – I recently had a 1300ABI downswing in late Feb/March, $19k at an ABI of around $16, with around 70% of my games being 180-man turbo SNGs. If I had only been playing 6-8 tables instead of 16-20 throughout this downswing, my EV might have been a little higher over this period but there's absolutely no way it could have improved enough for me to overcome how bad I was running. Following this downswing I had a 1700ABI upswing at the same ABI and made >$22k in April, with very little notable change in how I was playing.
The most important factor in how many games you decide to play should always be the nature of the games you're playing. If you're playing heads-up or 6max games, it's obvious that there's less time between each decision and each decision is more important, so stop registering new tournaments for an hour or two if you're playing a big Sunday 6-max tourney and need to focus more. Similarly, if you're feeling tired and don't want to bother making difficult decisions, there's nothing wrong with deciding to spend a day 30-tabling turbos with your tables stacked and doing nothing but push/folding.
You should be able to adapt to how you're feeling, your time schedule, the games that are running, and all sorts of other things if you want to make the most money possible – it's important to learn mass-tabling just as it's important to learn postflop play and hand-reading. If you can't mass-table, you're not only failing to learn valuable push/fold skills and instinctive range analysis that will serve you well in larger MTTs, you're also leaving yourself open to the highest level of variance possible, and you could very easily experience some absolutely brutal downswings.
Many MTT players look for the 'magic formula' – should I be 8-tabling or 20-tabling? Should I be grinding or taking time over every decision? Should I use a HUD? Should I learn more push/folding? In reality, the answer to all these questions is a resounding YES, even when the answers seemingly conflict. If you're not putting effort into learning everything that makes a successful poker player and becoming adaptable, you're leaving money on the table.
October 6, 2010
sick answer.
and good to see ginger down here, i guess you gotta be posting somewhere when 2p2 is down right?
sick answer.
and good to see ginger down here, i guess you gotta be posting somewhere when 2p2 is down right?
Lolol yeah, I should have posted here more…been hopping around all sorts of non-poker forums, pretty sad how much my poker life depends on 2p2, doesn’t have to be that way! 😀
And glad you liked the answer. Ty. 🙂
EDIT: I don’t know how to quote on TPE forums yet, huge fail.
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