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November 28, 2015
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WPN, 500/1,000 blinds, 100 ante No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 8 Players
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SB: 34,950 (35 bb)
Hero (BB): 29,750 (29.8 bb)
UTG+2: 65,900 (65.9 bb)
MP1: 23,350 (23.4 bb)
MP2: 37,100 (37.1 bb)
MP3: 31,850 (31.9 bb)
CO: 300 (0.3 bb)
BTN: 46,850 (46.9 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 8
UTG+2 raises to 2,000, MP1 calls 2,000, MP2 folds, MP3 calls 2,000, CO calls 200 and is all-in, BTN calls 2,000, SB calls 1,500, Hero calls 1,000
Flop: (13,000) 2 K 3 (7 players, 1 is all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets 13,000, MP1 raises to 21,250 and is all-in, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls 8,250
Turn: (55,500) T (3 players, 2 are all-in)
River: (55,500) 6 (3 players, 2 are all-in)
Results:
55,500 pot
Final Board: 2 K 3 T 6
SB mucked and lost (-2,100 net)
Hero mucked 5 8 and lost (-2,100 net)
UTG+2 showed A K and won 55,500 (32,150 net)
MP1 showed Q K and lost (-23,350 net)
MP3 mucked and lost (-2,100 net)
CO showed J J and lost (-300 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-2,100 net)
I thought this hand was interesting. What do you guy think here?
September 3, 2018
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It is hard to comment since you have not indicated game flow, so I can only discuss this hand in a vacuum. But you asked, so here goes. There is a lot here to question. Why did CO let himself blind down to three-tenths of a big blind? Why are so many people calling? We don’t know what MP3 and BTN had, but it is pretty baffling to me that seven out of eight players went to the flop on a hand where UTG opened. Why is UTG+1 calling the UTG raise with KQo, which seems like a hand that can get you in trouble/dominated to an UTG raise (unless UTG is a spewy lunatic), which is exactly what happened.
I would also ask why you called. I get that you are getting incredible pot odds, but your hand is really weak. You are suited, but it’s a two-gapper. Suited connector I could see. Fine. If you had a small pair, you are set mining. Fine. What is your plan in calling with 5-8 suited? Even if you make a flush, how confident are you that there won’t be a better flush in a SEVEN-way hand? Even if you flop top pair, there is a decent chance someone has an overpair (you are SEVEN handed). You are looking for an absolute miracle flop for 5-8 suited to be a winner (because it’s SEVEN handed). Are people calling light nonstop (given the 7-way nature of this hand)? If yes, I’d rather wait for a big hand and punish the mega limpers with a strong squeeze play. Or is this just a weird exception where everyone called, but that isn’t the general table dynamic?
You have 29 BBs. You are comfortable but not incredibly deep. That said, you have plenty of time before you have to go to the push shove chart. I’d rather save the 1000 chips and fold and put my chips to work with a better holding on a future hand.
Maybe I am being a nit here suggesting a fold in the big blind given the massive pot odds you are getting to make the call. But I don’t love wasting a 1000 chips on a hand that a) is massively behind the range of the UTG raise, and/or b) does not flop well against six other opponents even if you catch a decent part of the flop. I’d rather fold and just watch the carnage of this many people going to the flop.
November 28, 2015
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“Why is UTG+1 calling the UTG raise with KQo, which seems like a hand that can get you in trouble/dominated to an UTG raise (unless UTG is a spewy lunatic), which is exactly what happened.” -These are the hands I was thinking we’d see. Well, I was thinking UTG could have something like AK and if UTG+1 had something like KQo I thought that would be a questionable play, and wanted to see what everyone thought about calling an UTG raise with KQo. I just think that KQo is doing terrible vs UTGs range. Plus, it was nice to see what UTG and UTG+1 actually showed up with.
I was given ~12:1 which I only need to win about .08% of the time to break even. I think it’s an even bigger mistake to not call here given the pot odds. Because this hand is so junky, if I don’t flop well, I can easily fold it. What if the board came 55K or 58K? I think UTG is paying me at least 2 streets, if not, definitely one.
“Even if you make a flush, how confident are you that there won’t be a better flush in a SEVEN-way hand?”-I wouldn’t be too confident, and could potentially lose my entire stack, but how often do we make a flush?
” Even if you flop top pair, there is a decent chance someone has an overpair (you are SEVEN handed). You are looking for an absolute miracle flop for 5-8 suited to be a winner (because it’s SEVEN handed).” -Sure, UTG or UTG+1 could have something like 99+ but I would just have to deal with it by paying attention to the action. Perhaps I would get bluffed more often than not but hey, it’s poker.
“Are people calling light nonstop (given the 7-way nature of this hand)? If yes, I’d rather wait for a big hand and punish the mega limpers with a strong squeeze play. Or is this just a weird exception where everyone called, but that isn’t the general table dynamic?” -That’s a great question. I will say no, not usually. This was just a weird situation. In all of the poker I have played, I don’t think I have ever been laid 12-to-1 before. Well, at least not in a game that’s worth money.
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