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Underpair in 3-way pot
MackNova
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February 28, 2021 - 4:51 am
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This hand’s been bugging me for 2 days.

Day 1 of Venetian $600 with $200K guaranteed that went way over the guarantee. Late reg had ended about an hour ago. I just got moved to a new table about 10 hands ago, so I don’t have many reads yet. 

1500/3000 level. I have 130K in chips and I get pocket 10s on the button.

UTG (100K, seems aggressive in tiny sample) makes it 6.5K. Folds to me on button with 10/10. I debate 3betting, but instead I flat, since I’m not dying to 3bet get it in with 10s to a UTG raiser. BB (75K) also calls. 

Flop: J,6,3 rainbow. UTG bets $7K into $24K pot. I call. BB also calls.

Turn: Ace (rainbow). J-6-3-A board ($45K pot). Checks around.

River: Ace. J-6-3-A-A board ($45K pot). UTG tanks for a really long time and bets $27K. I tank for a bit and call. BB folds. Results at the end.

I’m fine flatting preflop. Not dying to get in 34 big blinds with TT against a UTG raiser., since if I 3-bet, I’m not folding to a shove. I don’t think raising is bad, but I went lower variance.

On the flop, I’m also fine with my play. The bet is tiny, but I look at it as a normal C-bet size on a pretty uncoordinated board where 2 players easily could have missed. If I raise, UTG doesn’t fold any better hands, and I don’t have much hope for my hand to improve if I’m behind.

On the turn, I think I should have bet. I think the big blind has a lot of jacks once he overcalls the flop bet, meaning my hand doesn’t have a lot of showdown value, and I think UTG would have continued if he had an ace. I could conceivably have ATs with a backdoor flush draw on the flop, and I could also have A6s, A3s and AJ. Maybe if I was nitty with AQo preflop, I could call with that to a small flop bet. I don’t have a lot of aces in my range, but I have some. And if I bet turn, I’m betting all non-jack rivers as a bluff.

On the river, I’m not sure what to do. I think the likelihood anyone has an ace is very small, but the likelihood I call the flop with an ace and then check it back on the turn is probably even smaller. So what is he betting with? Is this a big value bet with KK or QQ trying to get called by a jack? Would a jack bet that much? Not all players would value bet with those hands, and like I said, I don’t think he has an ace much. He still has a lot of weak hands in his range that would bet that flop hoping for folds, like KQ, KT, suited connectors. Maybe he has a smaller pocket pair that he thinks he needs to turn into a bluff.

But would he bluff into 2 people? The good news if I want to hero call is that once I call, I think the BB folds 95% of the time. Maybe JK finds a call, but I think he folds all his weaker jacks to a river bet and a call. 

If BB had made this bet instead of UTG, I would have folded.

Results: UTG shows up with JKo, and made a great decision to value bet against a calling station like me. I thought my opponent played this hand great, but I’m not sure about my play. 

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March 3, 2021 - 3:10 am
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I like flatting pre flop as well with the awkward stack size UTG, but the argument i would make to 3 bet is so we don’t allow an irresistible price to the BB to come along with random Jx or Qx hands which can outdraw us immediately on some flops. If we do 3 bet we have to call off if UTG shoves, and if they just flat the 3 bet then we have a great hand and great position. The lower variance flat on the button seems fine though. 

 

Really dry board and no reason to be folding or raising here to UTG c bet. Not sure what worse hands we can be expecting to get called by if we are raising for value and our hand is far too strong to be turning into a bluff at this point. Clear call.

The turn is interesting. BB can certainly have a tonne of Jx having overcalled the flop vs UTG c bet plus your call. He shouldn’t be continuing with 6x there and a lot of his pocket pairs from 7’s-9’s may want to just get it in pre flop as a squeeze. He can’t have many drawing hands besides the occasional 45s but with his SPR would likely check shove this flop. UTG checking here does suggest some showdown value as i think with this card being best for his range, he should continue with his bluffs like KQ, KTs and QTs. Most of his Ax holdings should also want to bet to extract value from Jx. As you said it now appears your tens are beat by at least one of the villains so now seems like a good time to start turning them into a bluff, having had the action checked to you. I would bet about 20k, setting up a just above pot sized bet on the river, should we choose to take the spot depending on the run out. 

The river for me is a fold (though if i’m actually the one playing this hand i find the call every time). I think the majority of UTG’s bluffs would likely have continued betting on that Ace turn because it is so much better for his range than either yours or BB’s. It seems unlikely to me that he would decline the opportunity to bluff when the ace first arrived on the turn, but now suddenly decide to start bluffing again when it pairs on the river. It feels more like he is comfortably value betting a hand like Kings or Queens or Jx having had the action check around on the turn. I think he would bet this much with a strong Jack as you and BB have no KK or QQ combos. It’s a great point that he is betting into 2 players, further diminishing the chance that he is bluffing. He would have to be pretty pessimistic about trying to get a jack (which either you or BB should hold very often after the flop action) to fold here for this size bet. 

I’m trying to think of a way we can put in a huge raise here to take this pot but i don’t really see a way. What Ax hand do we float flop with, check back turn and now want to put in a big raise? Seems ambitious so i think the best play here is to fold. I know mostly i just agreed with stuff you already said but interesting hand and thanks for sharing smile

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June 23, 2021 - 9:20 am
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reliableJAKE said
I think the majority of UTG’s bluffs would likely have continued betting on that Ace turn because it is so much better for his range than either yours or BB’s. It seems unlikely to me that he would decline the opportunity to bluff when the ace first arrived on the turn, but now suddenly decide to start bluffing again when it pairs on the river. 

I agree with this part. Especially three ways. I like the call on the flop, but am now folding river.

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