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two pair facing c/r on the river by a loose passive opponent?
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February 15, 2015 - 9:36 pm
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#Game No : 664303589
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 664303589 *****
$100/$200 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #66381785 $3.55 + $0.45 – Table #12 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: PaulyW888 ( $8,880 )
Seat 2: MarioBendeck ( $4,581 )
Seat 3: 4erepa6ka333 ( $11,078 )
Seat 4: Centauri_V64 ( $10,260 )
Seat 5: ScrtSAM ( $7,180 )
Seat 6: DumitranaI ( $14,412 )
Seat 7: arturKanjo ( $10,748 )
Seat 9: london_ace ( $6,983 )
Seat 10: vinoro ( $6,778 )
vinoro posts ante [$20]
MarioBendeck posts ante [$20]
london_ace posts ante [$20]
4erepa6ka333 posts ante [$20]
DumitranaI posts ante [$20]
arturKanjo posts ante [$20]
Centauri_V64 posts ante [$20]
ScrtSAM posts ante [$20]
PaulyW888 posts ante [$20]
Centauri_V64 posts small blind [$100]
ScrtSAM posts big blind [$200]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ Aclub, Jclub ]
DumitranaI folds
arturKanjo folds
london_ace raises [$400]
vinoro folds
PaulyW888 folds
MarioBendeck folds
4erepa6ka333 folds
Centauri_V64 folds
ScrtSAM calls [$200]
** Dealing flop ** [ 5spade, J:Spade:, 2club ]
ScrtSAM bets [$200]
london_ace raises [$800]
ScrtSAM calls [$600]
** Dealing turn ** [ 6spade ]
ScrtSAM checks
london_ace checks
** Dealing river ** [ Adiamond ]
ScrtSAM checks
london_ace bets [$1,340]
ScrtSAM raises [$5,960]
london_ace folds

Hey Hey

Reads – v is a loose passive opponent …I've not seen any hands showdown. I am pretty sure this guy is  a really bad/weak opponent.
 
The turn was not a great card for me ...v could have flushes in there range so i checked back since i do have showdown value. On the river my hand improves v then checks again  i now  heavly discount flushes and indicates a marginal hand. so now i'm looking at my hand  thinkng my relative hand strength is rather strong. I bet river for value to get calls from weaker Jx and medium pocket pairs.
I was pretty sure that v would bet his flushes on the river because its very likely that we are going to check back hands like KJo/JT/QJ.
 
so i'm now questioning if i should of checked back river? 
 
i personally think b/f was fine as played though ...i think checking back here would be a mistake imo.
 
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I think the bet/fold on the river is fine. I don't think a lot of weak players c/r rivers as a bluff very often. 

 

My gut says you should try to go for value on the river, but I am wondering what hand he can call the flop raise with and call the river that is worse than top two.  Are you trying to get looked up by a jack? That ace and the spades will be scare cards that will make it hard for him to call you. The only reasonalbe draws he might have on the flop that call your raise by the river are either flushes or straights. Still, one common feature of bad players is calling too much, so I would give him an opportunity to repeat that mistake. Bet smaller and hope.

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