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Turning Pair Into a Bluff on a 10$ MTT Final Table
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August 19, 2014 - 4:11 am
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So we were 3 left in the MTT. Btn seems ok reg, while BB is on a fishy side (28/14 after 187 hands). We did not have

dynamics between us, however before on the final table when we were 9 handed or so BB did called a raise from CO

on Btn with 66 and did a weak raise to a cbet on 37739 board, called weak bet on turn and did check the river.

Also when we were 4 handed in a SB vs BB situation on J high board when his opponent showed weakness on flop

he did stab 1/2 pot on turn with bottom pair and then checked the river.

 

Btn 9,789,373

SB Hero 10,324,214

BB 4,611,413

 

Blinds 50k/100k, Ante 25k

 

Hero has Ah 5d

 

Btn folds
Hero raises 300000 to 500000
BB calls 300000
 
*** FLOP *** [5s Ts 2s]
Hero bets 388888
BB raises 388888 to 777776
Hero calls 388888
 
*** TURN *** [Qs]
Hero checks
BB checks
*** RIVER *** [Jc]
Hero?
 
Would you bluff in this spot and if so - how much would you bet?
 
(Wanted to mention that my bluffing candidates would be 66-99 and 10x hands without a flush, 
maybe weak flushes but I kinda doubt that he has weak flush here given his line)
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Very good spot for this. Even though you have a pair you've got damn near 0 showdown value and with a spade turning you can't really have air in your range so this is a good candidate to bluff. I wouldn't rule out low flushes, Villain could have flopped it or I wouldn't even rule out his min-raising the flop with 9s8x or something. I wouldn't try to target those with a bluff though because they will be about the top of his range after he checks back turn. You've got the right target, I'd bet ~40% pot, the same thing I'd bet with like Tx9s.

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August 21, 2014 - 12:21 am
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Why do we want to turn our hand into a bluff on the flop? And why do we only want to bet 40% pot on the river.  The spade turn  lowers the frequency of bluffs (bluffs will bet turn) and increases the frequency of showdown value/toprange hands in villains range. So if we turn our hand into a bluff,  why don't we want to bet bigger. Besides that I think it will be very exploitable to valuebet the river with low flushes. 

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August 21, 2014 - 8:22 am
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pckrrr said:

Why do we want to turn our hand into a bluff on the flop? And why do we only want to bet 40% pot on the river.  The spade turn  lowers the frequency of bluffs (bluffs will bet turn) and increases the frequency of showdown value/toprange hands in villains range. So if we turn our hand into a bluff,  why don't we want to bet bigger. Besides that I think it will be very exploitable to valuebet the river with low flushes. 

I don't see the flop bet as a bluff, although a lot of the value does come from getting Villain to fold hands with good equity (ie random overs, random spades).

You should watch my series on bluffing, I go into a lot of detail about how to choose a bluff target and size your bluff accordingly.

How do you think Villain can exploit Hero if he knows Hero will value bet 9s on the river?

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Raising rivers more often. %b/f range getting a bit big if we only want to b/c the higher flushes.

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If 9h is close enough to the top of your betting range, you don’t have to fold to a raise. Easy game.

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It’s really intresting what Andrew says about betting 40% to call with a 9s in a spot like this, i would have never thought about it…
(i assume you mean vs a good thinking player obv cause otherwise vs fish i think it’s kinda suicidal…)

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Yeah, I mean I would generally fold for exploitive reasons but if you have some reason to think Villain will raise in a balanced way then bet-calling 9s seems good.

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