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March 28, 2016
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$200 live event. 20 min levels. 10 handed
Blinds 400-800 100 ante
Stacks CO 20k
BB hero 25k
Reads
CO is a reg. He is very lag and opens a wide range from all positions. He has a high cbet %. He just got to the table and this is the 3rd hand out of the last 4 or 5 he has opened. I do not really respect his opens or cbets. He does not know me.The rest of the table is lp and easy to read.
Action
Folds to CO who opens to 1600. Folds to me and i call K6cc. I understand i should often 3bet or fold but opp will call a lot even with the shorter stacks and he will apply pressure post. I believe folding pre is best, but i called so i have to play.
Pot 4600
Flop 765ssh
I chk opp bets 2k i call
Turn 765ssh 8d
I chk opp thinks for 30 seconds staring at the board, glancing at me, he seems genuinely unsure what to do. He chks. His uncertainty made me feel like he had a made hand and wanted to vbet or a pr and draw but did not want to get cr. But his range is still somewhat wide.
River 76585sshdc
Now what? Do i chk and usually fold since he can thin vbet and does not seem to have many bluffs given turn action, or turn my hand into a bluff and lead?
Any thoughts on earlier streets?
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December 6, 2012
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I wouldn’t do anything other than what you did before the river. I definitely do not agree that you should either 3bet or fold pre, this is a very good hand for peeling a min-raise from the BB.
Despite your read, I don’t think you should bet river. There is still some chance that you’re wrong and do actually have the best hand, so I don’t think you’re without showdown value. If you had no showdown value, something like two spades for a busted flush draw, I might attempt bluffing, but this doesn’t strike me as a spot where you should dig deep for bluffing candidates. I’d just check fold. Nice use of physical reads, though!
March 28, 2016
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Foucault said
I wouldn’t do anything other than what you did before the river. I definitely do not agree that you should either 3bet or fold pre, this is a very good hand for peeling a min-raise from the BB.Despite your read, I don’t think you should bet river. There is still some chance that you’re wrong and do actually have the best hand, so I don’t think you’re without showdown value. If you had no showdown value, something like two spades for a busted flush draw, I might attempt bluffing, but this doesn’t strike me as a spot where you should dig deep for bluffing candidates. I’d just check fold. Nice use of physical reads, though!
Thank you for your reply. I thought for a little bit about how much of his range beat me and the turn action. I knew chk calling would likely be a poor choice so in the end i felt a bluff may work. This opp is capable of recognizing polarizing bluff sizes so i chose an amount that would look like a vbet but also represented about a quarter of his remaining stack…around 4k. He thought for some time and called with 25o. One of the reasons i played back was to present the idea he could not run over me.
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SoundSpeed said
Foucault said
I wouldn’t do anything other than what you did before the river. I definitely do not agree that you should either 3bet or fold pre, this is a very good hand for peeling a min-raise from the BB.Despite your read, I don’t think you should bet river. There is still some chance that you’re wrong and do actually have the best hand, so I don’t think you’re without showdown value. If you had no showdown value, something like two spades for a busted flush draw, I might attempt bluffing, but this doesn’t strike me as a spot where you should dig deep for bluffing candidates. I’d just check fold. Nice use of physical reads, though!
Thank you for your reply. I thought for a little bit about how much of his range beat me and the turn action. I knew chk calling would likely be a poor choice so in the end i felt a bluff may work. This opp is capable of recognizing polarizing bluff sizes so i chose an amount that would look like a vbet but also represented about a quarter of his remaining stack…around 4k. He thought for some time and called with 25o. One of the reasons i played back was to present the idea he could not run over me.
Good example of why you shouldn’t fold pre-flop, but I don’t think your reasons for betting river hold water. Just because check-calling is bad doesn’t mean you should bluff. In this case, check-folding would be the best play. I also don’t think there’s any merit to “present the idea he could not run over me.” …..ontest.php
You should also check out my Bluffing series here on TPE.
March 28, 2016
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Foucault said
SoundSpeed said
Foucault said
I wouldn’t do anything other than what you did before the river. I definitely do not agree that you should either 3bet or fold pre, this is a very good hand for peeling a min-raise from the BB.Despite your read, I don’t think you should bet river. There is still some chance that you’re wrong and do actually have the best hand, so I don’t think you’re without showdown value. If you had no showdown value, something like two spades for a busted flush draw, I might attempt bluffing, but this doesn’t strike me as a spot where you should dig deep for bluffing candidates. I’d just check fold. Nice use of physical reads, though!
Thank you for your reply. I thought for a little bit about how much of his range beat me and the turn action. I knew chk calling would likely be a poor choice so in the end i felt a bluff may work. This opp is capable of recognizing polarizing bluff sizes so i chose an amount that would look like a vbet but also represented about a quarter of his remaining stack…around 4k. He thought for some time and called with 25o. One of the reasons i played back was to present the idea he could not run over me.
Good example of why you shouldn’t fold pre-flop, but I don’t think your reasons for betting river hold water. Just because check-calling is bad doesn’t mean you should bluff. In this case, check-folding would be the best play. I also don’t think there’s any merit to “present the idea he could not run over me.” …..ontest.php
You should also check out my Bluffing series here on TPE.
Already checked out the bluffing series and it was great. I wonder then what our threshold for bluffing is? That is, what is the weakest hand we are willing to attempt to showdown.
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