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August 5, 2013
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Hey Guys,
Just had this hand in a $0.50 45 man.
Poker Stars $0.45+$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10/t20 Blinds – 9 players – View hand 2279485
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
MP2: t1500 75 BBs
CO: t1490 74.50 BBs
BTN: t1390 69.50 BBs
SB: t1510 75.50 BBs
Hero (BB): t1500 75 BBs
UTG: t1500 75 BBs
UTG+1: t1500 75 BBs
UTG+2: t1610 80.50 BBs
MP1: t1500 75 BBs
Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with J
K
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t20, 3 folds, BTN calls t20, SB calls t10, Hero checks
Flop: (t80) 8 J
6
(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t80, UTG+2 calls t80, BTN folds, SB folds
Turn: (t240) J (2 players)
Hero bets t140, UTG+2 raises to t280, Hero raises to t760, UTG+2 raises to t1240, Hero raises to t1400 all in, UTG+2 calls t160
River: (t3040) 3 (2 players – 1 is all in)
I don't know why I got into a reraising battle here instead of just Jamming, but since I did, should I have been able to read something into it, or am I just leveling myself, and next time Just jam and be done with it?
Thanks,
"Remember, play tight. Nothing less than 83 suited."
Play Good, Run Good.
November 10, 2012
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Hi Shooting,
I don't want to be a “know it all” but you didn't turn top set, you turned top trips. This is a huge difference. Trips are much less strong and are also far more visible.
When you have trips, instead of a set, this means that the board has paired. This makes full houses possible. When you have top set on the flop because you had JJ, than you had a very strong hand on the flop, in fact the nuts.
The way it has gone, it is very possible that you have three of a kind J on the turn, but you could already be up against a full house where you are drawing to one out.
The way it is played before the flop, villain can always have a middle strength or lower pair which he limps for set value. 88 and 66 are possible. This means that villain could have flopped a set already. The J on the turn gives him a full house then.
I don't think he has AJ in his hands because he would have raised this hand before the flop since he is OOP.
KJ, QJ, TJ are possible too. I don't know how he would play this and how good a player villain is. In the case he is new to the game, he may be thinking to that his trips J is the best.
But I would prefer more to keep the pot small. You are beat by AJ, 88 and 66 and AJ I discounted, so it is a narrow range.
I don't think this is a jamming hand.
August 5, 2013
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Thanks for the Trips/Set Clarification. It's one I already know, but I always seem to void that knowledge when I talk about these things lol. (And don't worry about the “know it all” factor. I'd rather have someone over explain something than just respond with “Clear Fold” or “Obv. Jam.”
Ok, so with the idea that we want to keep the pot small here, am I just checking this down? At what point are we giving up on the hand, if ever?
In the end BTW: he did have 66 for the boat.
"Remember, play tight. Nothing less than 83 suited."
Play Good, Run Good.
November 14, 2012
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You’re basically playing your hand face up here, and if you hadn’t turned trips, the villain would have lost heaps of value not raising on the flop (not a huge amount, just enough to eek some value out of flopping bottom set). Based on the stakes and the play on the flop, I’d say your opponent is stuck on level 0 thinking (what do I have?).
Personally, I would have flatted the turn raise, and re-evaluated on the river. Anything less than the case J or a K, and the best you can do is check/call any reasonable sized bet.
To avoid telegraphing your hand quite so much, you might want to look into bet sizing. There is some really good analysis of bet sizing in the $33 mftops HH review vid series by Daryl Jace and Chris Moon. Also some of the earlier podcasts go over it quite a bit, definitely worth checking them out.
August 5, 2013
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Thanks Junior,
I'll definately look into that. Bet sizing for me is usually a matter of clicking a button: 40%, 60% or Pot. That's something I'm going to have to work on for sure.
"Remember, play tight. Nothing less than 83 suited."
Play Good, Run Good.
June 1, 2012
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The above posters are over thinkin the situation. You are not playing against sophisticated players who are activlely looking for ways to expoilt you and are thinking on a 3rd level you are playing a 0.50 45 man Sng. Even the regs in these games are not paying attention to you because they are 18 table automotons who just have a set strategy. How do i know this? I use to be one of these players when i use to play Sngs. You played the hand just fine just get it in its 80bbs its a great spot. Villians will overplay Kx, weak Jx, draws, and you will sometimes see random spazz with complete air. I would of just shipped as soon as villian raised since the fold equity is non exsistent in these games you will get called by worse 90% of the time.
December 7, 2012
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I agree with this being a pot control/check-call situation. Your 3 bet on the turn was fairly large, and as Junior suggested you could have probably gotten good info about where you stood by just clicking it back. In fact, that probably looks nuttier – so then if the villain 4 bets you can be fairly sure that three Jacks don’t worry him.
Interesting hand – thanks for posting!
June 11, 2012
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i can not think of a way to not get this in on the turn.
guys its a 0.5$ 45man sng. people in these are limping everything sometimes. even J2s because its sooooooooooooooooooooooooooootttttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddddddddddddd
again. not folding
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