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Turn and river line

ahache

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May 10, 2013 - 4:25 pm

First hand I'm dealt in tourney, no info on anyone. I like my flop play, as he won't believe me most the time and call with any pair, maybe AK, AJ. Thought the turn might look like a double barrel, and I don't like check-raise/call. He used up almost half his time bank to call the turn, so now Qx seemed much more likely. In this case would a river check-shove be best?

Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10/t20 Blinds – 8 players – View hand 2205086
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

SB: t2970 148.50 BBs
Hero (BB): t3000 150 BBs
UTG: t2630 131.50 BBs
UTG+1: t3000 150 BBs
MP1: t3000 150 BBs
MP2: t2865 143.25 BBs
CO: t3000 150 BBs
BTN: t3000 150 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 5 of hearts 5 of spades
3 folds, MP2 raises to t60, 3 folds, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t130) Q of diamonds Q of hearts 5 of clubs (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t60, Hero raises to t180, MP2 calls t120

Turn: (t490) T of hearts (2 players)
Hero bets t360, MP2 calls t360

River: (t1210) 7 of spades (2 players)
Hero bets t700, MP2 calls t700

Final Pot: t2610
Hero shows 5 of hearts 5 of spades (a full house, Fives full of Queens)
MP2 mucks Q of clubs J
Hero wins t2610

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May 10, 2013 - 5:08 pm

It looks to me as if you played it pretty good ..

you called for set value

you minraise to try to induce a bigger pot, shove..

the turn you bet for value and you said he timed banked it.

so on the river I think you got the most value,, and if you check most likely he would of check behind worried you had queen ten, ace queen, or full by the time tank you said he did.. so you would of lost value by not betting.

i think it is possible that on the turn if you check,, he may of bet 325ish then if you shoved he may of called, it is hard to say.. your turn bet looks to be stronger then trips to him

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May 10, 2013 - 6:22 pm

That's exactly what I was thinking, too easy for him to check behind on river, had to get value. I was hoping he'd raise turn, maybe if I bet a bit less.

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May 10, 2013 - 10:56 pm

You could overbet the river there. Just range him. He calls a raise on a lockdown board and then calls a huge turn bet. AT is like the only Tx in his range he's peeling and even that would be pretty dumb and pointless to do.

It looks so much like he has Qx but he's being passive.

I think your mistake was check raising the flop. You're going to do that and get folds so often, for starters. Plus, what hands check-raise that aren't a bluff? Qx and 5's full. It just makes no sense for pure bluffs to do it pre-antes on the first hand and there are no draws.

You may be correct to say he calls your c/r with any pair and maybe Ace high, but then what? What extra value are you expecting to get from any of that range once you 2 barrel after check-raising? Like every single hand in that range should fold turn.

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May 11, 2013 - 12:22 am

i think you are being results oriented in thinking about a check raise on turn/river since you now know he had a Queen. You played the hand very well sir, his range can include PP's below a Q that will call down yet check back to your potential checks. Bet bet bet WP smile