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TT with 40bb stack facing 13bb 4bet from big blind in $2.50 180-man on Stars
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April 21, 2016 - 9:45 am
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Both blinds are pretty tight but only over a small sample. Is this just a fold pre, to this size reraise here? How deep should stacks be before I can call off for 1/3 of my stack like I do here?  confused

In the Skype group I’m a part of we’ve been discussing how bad my raise size is after two limpers, so I am pretty certain this was butchered from the outset as a result…

 

Poker Stars, $2.28 Buy-in (15/30 blinds, 4 ante) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools by CardRunnersHand Details

UTG+2: 2,081 (69.4 bb)
MP1: 1,756 (58.5 bb)
MP2: 1,377 (45.9 bb)
Hero (MP3): 1,213 (40.4 bb)
CO: 1,535 (51.2 bb)
BTN: 1,217 (40.6 bb)
SB: 3,139 (104.6 bb)
BB: 1,182 (39.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with TspadeTdiamond
UTG+2 calls 30, MP1 calls 30, MP2 folds, Hero raises to 75, CO calls 75, BTN folds, SB calls 60, BB raises to 390, 2 folds, Hero calls 315, CO calls 315, SB folds

Flop: (1,337) 9clubKdiamond7heart
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets 1,141 and is all-in, 2 folds

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I don´t think you can call profitable the 3bet here, you don´t have odds to set value, and you put V on a “pretty tight image”, this is a fold pre flop for me.

Pre flop you can add 1bb per limper, and use your standard raise, if you mini raise this should be a 4bb raise, with two limps.

Has being a long time since I have played 180s, but I may fold JJ on this spot too, QQ+ and shove pre.

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I read the conversation in the study group and agreed with all of it as well as what was said here.

Something I want to add though is that the small pre-flop bet size may have induced the raise by the BB. If the BB just calls it is pretty much a certainty that they are going to play a 6-way pot against some really wide ranges. I suppose we can take some info from the V’s decision to re-raise…
1. May be squeezing light since no one looks real committed
2. May have a premium pair since those are the hands that play the worse in a multi-way pot. 
3. Fast-playing AK

I think a larger 2-bet weights #1 to be a smaller percentage. Meaning, we look more interested in playing a big pot and a light squeeze is less likely to work. The BB’s raise is so large I don’t know how many AKs are in his range. I think it is too big to be a pure-iso. That is why i call it fast-playing instead of isolating. Still if the 2-bet is larger I think it should reduce the need to isolate making a 3-bet more value heavy.

I believe this is the second level and most people are between 2.5x-3x standard open still. A raise to 75 essentially just ignored the limpers. I don’t think I’d make it less than 150 at the low end. It is possible a raise to, say, 170 would have caused the CO to fold and the BB to just call (just one possible change in flop situation). If the BB still 3-bets it will have to be bigger to price you out and would be a more clear fold.

As played I think we are just set mining without the right odds. Even if a 9-high flop hits I don’t know if I’d feel real good about it.

…just my thinking today. 

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I agree that your raise sizing preflop is too small, but it seems you’ve covered that. With two limpers in there, 120-150 is the right sizing.

I’d say folding to the 3-bet is okay, you kinda have to be 4-bet shoving or folding when villain makes it that big since you’re getting very poor odds to call and the SPR on the flop is going to be very uncomfortable. I’d say villain’s raise sizing could be slightly weighted towards AK since it’s so big, and therefore it’s somewhat tempting to get it in pre here, but some villains will just raise big because they’re bad at bet sizing, so it’s hard to weight it too heavily in one direction or the other. I think it’s tough to see folding JJ or AK pre here, but TT is just about weak enough to fold.

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theginger45 said
…I’d say villain’s raise sizing could be slightly weighted towards AK since it’s so big…

Interesting. I can see both sides of the weighting…

Towards Pairs: I was thinking the size would weight it more towards over-pairs since most people are scared to get too many callers and really want to play a big pot. In my mind the act of raising is already aggressive so it seems like a smaller increase in aggression to size it a bit bigger with QQ-AA where we really want to get it in on the flop or maybe the turn.

Towards AK: I can see the logic though that puts this strategically more toward AK…If V is squeezing to take it down, and called, the hand plays well post-flop. At this sizing I could see the risk of folding out everyone with QQ-AA and missing value.

WDYT? Mind adding some more insight to this?

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