May 30, 2012
Ok, need thoughts…….
Sunday Major on WSOP.com in NJ. $200 50k 1st place 13.5k.
We are in the money. 20 left. I’m 13/20 2,500/5000 / 500
I have 155k on button on this hand.
UTG – Seems bad, unknown to me, but I have seen him before has 100k and opens to 10k.
UTG +2 – 158k Seems ok, never played with him before. not a reg that I know.
C/o – 130k Seems BAD…. unknown to me.
*There are a few huge PROs still in this tourney and at my table. Playing solid.
IN THIS HAND, UTG raises to 10k, UTG +2 flats, CO flats 10k.
I have TT on the button…….. 30bbs In the money. $500 made 1st place is 13k.
What is your play here? 3bet? 3bet to how much? Jam? Fold?
July 7, 2012
This is a pretty ugly spot.
I don’t think it would be viable to 3 bet fold situation, the stacks are just too awkward for it. The 3 bet would have to be on the larger size given the number of players in the hand say 38.5K-44K which basically means you are pot committed to call off if anyone 4bet jams on you. If you get flatted the effective stacks are going to be less than a pot size bet – which is going to end up a game of chicken. So I think the only real 3 bet option is to squeeze shove. I have done my best to replicate this in HRC with the slightly limited info you provided and with basic ICM calc. It actually says that 3 bet shoving TT in this spot is very slightly -eV. The best play seems to be to call in position and take a flop.
However, you have said who was in the blinds and what their stacks are as this will have an influence on the decision. Also are you 6 or 7 handed? I have assumed 7 and put the blinds at 16bb and 20bbs for the above calculation.
the current summary is
Fold – -eV play
Shove – v slightly -eV
Call – slightly +eV play (however the calculation assumes the hands get checked down post flop)
Like I said at the beginning its an ugly spot with no clear course of action. Which is why you are here asking lol. I hope this at least clarifies the fact that it is a tough and marginal spot and that whatever you chose to do was neither right nor wrong.
What would I have done?
Given that there is ~40k in the middle already and we cover 2 of the other stacks, I would probably have squeeze shoved. Although, table dynamics and who is in the blinds and with what stacks would come into the decision as well. You are i the bottom half of the leaderboard and will need to chip up at some point (although 30bb you have time). I might have taken this as a gamble spot.
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May 30, 2012
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August 25, 2012
There’s, what, 40k in the pot already? I think this one is a jam. You probably can’t have a 3-bet/folding range with UTG’s stack being as it is so I think that actually benefits you here – because you basically have to jam your QQ+ to avoid looking too nutted, you can also jam other hands without it affecting the EV of your range too negatively.
I think jamming something like 99+ AQ+ here is probably good, and then since you’re on the BTN you can probably also flat a few hands like 88-66, some suited broadways, etc.
December 21, 2015
Wow…I’m glad to hear I’m not the only one that goes into goofy WTH do I do here mode in situations like this. I think folding here is a great option. Fold, get up, go to the bathroom and curse the mirror for being put in that spot in the first place! MTFing son of a B – TTs with 83 callers before you!! ARgh!!! At least that’s what I would want to do….
But of course on the serious side, I am glad you asked the question and happy to hear a shove is not a stupid play, nor is a call. I often find myself in these spots, wishing that poker had a “phone a friend” chip that you could use once in a tourney, cause I sit there thinking I wish I could actually phone a friend and let them make the decision for me. No help I know, but again, glad to hear that the struggle is real in a spot like this.
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