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No reads on villian…..however from what ive seen he hasnt been spewy and has not shown down any hands.
So, as we can see… Im sitting pretty decent with 46bigs. I felt as tho flatting preflop is by far the superior play (bcuz im so deep). Im not looking to get it in preflop for a 100big blind pot when i have position and most of the time will either be crushed drawing to two outs or at best racing and i like playing postflop in position.
Pretty good flop in position and i elect to flat his lead. I am playing for showdown and my reasoning is a raise is going to fold out all worse hands and keep in all those crushing TT.
Turn comes the Ace. A perfect bluff card for a capable thinking player. Having said that, this is a 26$ donkament and i feel as tho most players are not competent enough to fire two barrells and they are most likely to see this as a scare card rather than a perfect bluff card. I feel as though now JJ, QQ, KK, all check this turn. Personally i feel as though he had something like AJ,AQ,AK, c-bet flop, got there on the turn and continued to fire for value.
All thoughts welcome would love a good discussion about this hand!
Full Tilt Poker $18K Super Stack (Early Antes) No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t3000/t6000 Blinds + t750 – 7 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Tess_Tickler (UTG): BB = 43.3, t259564
theshield26 (UTG+1): BB = 30.0, t180292
I Got Da Sauce (MP): BB = 106.6, t639721
ManilaFish (CO): BB = 11.5, t68909
redturtle77 (BTN): BB = 51.2, t307296
Misibacsi (SB): BB = 55.6, t333556
MaKaVeLiTheDoNn (BB): BB = 46.6, t279824
Pre Flop: (t14250) MaKaVeLiTheDoNn is BB with T
T
5 folds, Misibacsi raises to t16999, MaKaVeLiTheDoNn calls t10999
Flop: (t39248) 2
6 4 (2 players)
Misibacsi bets t21001, MaKaVeLiTheDoNn calls t21001
Turn: (t81250) A
(2 players)
Misibacsi bets t48976, MaKaVeLiTheDoNn folds
October 6, 2010
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tough spot.
if you call now you pretty much have to call any river bet, so i think it is best to make your mind up on the turn as you have done. \
even though it is a perfect bluff card, it is going to cost you a big chunk of change to find out
dont mind the way you have played it throughout the hand. wp imo
I know you said you didn't want to get into a 100bb pot when your sitting so good in the tournament and I know your in position but with a hand like 10-10 where there are so many bad flops why didn't you 3 bet? This would have narrowed his range to where you would have known where you are at. Also, y didn't you re-raise on the flop? The flop misses his range unless he was set mining and if he came over the top then you knew you were most likely beat. I will be the first to admit that I have a lot to learn so please take these questions on face value.
I understand being deep in a tournament and letting this hand go. There were probaly many more profitable spots after this so as far as controlling the pot is concerned and living to fight another day it was wp.
October 6, 2010
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problem with re-raising that flop is there are lots of hands that you beat that shove on you, like a lot of worse pairs, and flush draws (well thats a flip), possibly even a hand like A6 or 56 will shove here too.
i like peeling a card because these types of hands rarely double barrel. we are only really scared of an A or K, i think we can call turn call river for any other non diamond or A/K
Bennymacca if the board runs out from the flop with no A/K or Diamond are you just trying to get to showdown or ever value betting the river? Would this stay the same if an off suit Q/J hit? Even with the way the hand played out do you think our hero's hand has showdown value?
October 6, 2010
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xxDanDaDonkxx said:
Bennymacca if the board runs out from the flop with no A/K or Diamond are you just trying to get to showdown or ever value betting the river? Would this stay the same if an off suit Q/J hit? Even with the way the hand played out do you think our hero's hand has showdown value?
if no diamond/A/K peels on the turn, i am probably calling any bet and same with turn river. if it is checked to us i would check back turn and fire river for value against smaller pairs.
J/Q are much less dangerous to me because there are so many more hands with Aces (and to a lesser extent Kings) in them that villain would raise with, compared with J/Q
with the way the hand played out, i do think that we have some sort of showdown value, but the problem in my mind is that i doubt villain ever checks river the way he has played, so it is going to cost you a lot to get to showdown.
good questions though. what do other people think about this?
I believe 3bet pre is best and call if he goes allin.With your line pre i raise this flop 100%.If he calls i check this turn and value bet river most of the times
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March 17, 2010
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RonFezBuddy said:
I'm 3 betting pre. YOur hand is crushing his range. You will have almost no information about his hand post flop as he's probably raising very wide here and you're going to either be calling a couple of streets post flop without a defined range or just giving up to overs.If he 4 bets you I'd just get it in too. He doesn't need to have JJ+ to do it.As played, the turn is precisely why I'd also raise the flop. Lots of overs to come over 2 streets and if you play passively you're just not maximizing your equity here. Every street you don't do something it's like you just keep increasing his equity in the pot and decrease yours. If you raise the flop there's a good chance we just get it in here vs 77-99 as well as TP. There are spots where you don't want to raise because you're way ahead of way behind but in this spot I think there are way too many outs for him over the next two streets.Not sure what to do on turn but I think you could have avoided it.Another thing you say is you're sitting pretty comfortable with 46 bigs but I think that's the wrong attitude to have. In 20 minutes you will have 20bbs if you don't continue to maximize EV.
My thoughts exactly, I think this play was too passive.
swet1 said:
RonFezBuddy said:
I'm 3 betting pre. YOur hand is crushing his range. You will have almost no information about his hand post flop as he's probably raising very wide here and you're going to either be calling a couple of streets post flop without a defined range or just giving up to overs.If he 4 bets you I'd just get it in too. He doesn't need to have JJ+ to do it.As played, the turn is precisely why I'd also raise the flop. Lots of overs to come over 2 streets and if you play passively you're just not maximizing your equity here. Every street you don't do something it's like you just keep increasing his equity in the pot and decrease yours. If you raise the flop there's a good chance we just get it in here vs 77-99 as well as TP. There are spots where you don't want to raise because you're way ahead of way behind but in this spot I think there are way too many outs for him over the next two streets.Not sure what to do on turn but I think you could have avoided it.Another thing you say is you're sitting pretty comfortable with 46 bigs but I think that's the wrong attitude to have. In 20 minutes you will have 20bbs if you don't continue to maximize EV.
My thoughts exactly, I think this play was too passive.
Agree 100% with both of these
May 26, 2010
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When I read this before reading everyones comments I also thought that 3-betting here is best preflop. If you 3-bet pf and get a fold you scoop a nice pot, you don't have to make tough decisions post flop if overs hit and he double barrels, and the sb may think twice before going after your bb next orbit.
June 11, 2010
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I can see the argument for 3betting pre and flatting, I think as a style preference I would prob flat pre (this may be a function of my current play trying to get myself into post-flop situations top work on that part of my game so it may not be optimal). Pre-flop aside, when the flop comes so favorably for our hand there is no way I am flatting the lead. I think this is pretty solid check/raise country. I am going to re-raise this guy and put him to the test right then and there. Make him make a huge decision now against what looks like a very strong line.
July 3, 2010
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I 3 bet and size it pretty big since we're kind of deep and I don't want to get hood flatted even though I'll have position. The hands he will hood flat with are like KQ/AJ type crap and I'd rather take it down pre.
I probably do like 50k or so for my 3 bet size.
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